wet paint..

[Ixion]

Ok,

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is there anything else we want whilst we are at it?

Lots and lots of unstraightening to add twisty bits. And removal of the seal and replacement with gravel on the rest.

[SuperDave]

I agree on this, with such narrow tyres I have had several close calls in the recent wet weather. Metal manhole covers placing on corners are another bitch.

[XP@]

I agree on this, with such narrow tyres I have had several close calls in the recent wet weather. Metal manhole covers placing on corners are another bitch.

wonder if there is an anti-skid surface that could be placed on manhole covers?
or any new type of cover that could be specified for use with new manholes. I would still think twice about using them to brake/corner on, but if there was no option it would be a nice surprise to stay upright.

[nz rider]

Perhaps some of the money that we pay for our registration could go towards remarking these roads in a safer way. Cheers

[Pixie]

We (bikers) used to do such things years ago. Stopped quite a bit of bad stuff. Then bikers got all wimpy .

It's surprising how much disruption even 100 motorcycles can cause if they all turn up outside some government office.And 100 leather clad bikers demanding to see the bod in charge. National coverage guaranteed.

Problem is, organising them to turn up.

A french work colleague told me he was suprised to see the "cheese slicer "median barriers being installed on highway one.
He told me that when they tried to install them in France large numbers of bikers refused to pay their registration in protest and the wire barriers were canned

[avgas]

I dissagree here, i think people should ride/drive to the conditions - as the saying goes "If you cant swim stay out of the damn water".
Ive seen too much of New Zealands road, chopped up cos people complained cos they didnt have the skill to manage the road at the speed they were doing.
All my lovely twisties are getting removed cos people cant slow down from 100kph to 50 to take the corner then accelerate out.
How would people like it if i made "Bathurst" or "Laguna Seca" safe tracks?
ITS STUPID DECISIONS THAT MAKE CRASHES, NOT ROAD
cant blame a gun for killing a person

[bugjuice]

I dissagree here, i think people should ride/drive to the conditions - as the saying goes "If you cant swim stay out of the damn water".
Ive seen too much of New Zealands road, chopped up cos people complained cos they didnt have the skill to manage the road at the speed they were doing.
All my lovely twisties are getting removed cos people cant slow down from 100kph to 50 to take the corner then accelerate out.
How would people like it if i made "Bathurst" or "Laguna Seca" safe tracks?
ITS STUPID DECISIONS THAT MAKE CRASHES, NOT ROAD
cant blame a gun for killing a person

no but you can blame a person for not using the correct quality of road markings to avoid accidents in the wet.
I think you've missed the point here.. the corners are great, the roads are great, but it's the paint on the roads that's the problem. How people drive/ride is a completely different issue. Don't care about that, it's just the choice you don't have that's the problem. And it's not about how you ride, or where you ride, or whatever. It's the paint you have to cross in your average daily ride. You can be riding as granniefied as you want and still fuck up. If you're fine with that, then great. But like waht was said before, if you can eliminate as many dangers as poss, then why put up with it?

[Clockwork]

A french work colleague told me he was suprised to see the "cheese slicer "median barriers being installed on highway one.
He told me that when they tried to install them in France large numbers of bikers refused to pay their registration in protest and the wire barriers were canned

Seems to me that the French have always had more balls (and success) in telling their Governments "where to get off" than those of us with a more "Anglo" heritage.

[zooter]

Bloody good post Buggy. If you ever ride throught the Haast Pass from Hokitika to Wanaka, there are heaps of one way bridges on the west coast side. They paint "ONE WAY BRIDGE" in fuggen great letters so that it covers the whole lane. If that's not bad enough, they seem to deliberately do this on corners!!!!!!!!.....in one of the wetter places on earth....I kid you not. Take a look next time your down that way, it's absolutely unbelieveable!

I rode that road as a brand spanking newbie. The only time I got the heebie jeebies was on the wooden bridges, slipperry as a wet fish. The moss in the middle of the lanes was cause for alarm but easily avoided.
But the general issue of paint systems seems ready for a solution if enough of us are prepared to take on the crusade. Count me in.

[Ixion]

That's what pisses me off about the paint issue. 50% of it is totally unnecessary. Like painting ONE LANE BRIDGE on the road.

Yeah, it's a bridge. I can sorta see that. Don't actually need anyone to paint it on the road. Anyone riding or driving who DOESN'T know what a bridge is has problems.

And I can see it's one lane. That's why it's uh, sorta NARROW.

All I need to know is, which direction's got right of way.

Painting ONE LANE BRIDGE all over the road achieves nothing. Except introduce an unnecessary hazard.

Incidentally, anyone who reckons you can just avoid the paint, try the left turn out of Queen St into K Rd in Auckland.

Then tell me how you avoid the paint on the lane .

[ZorsT]

I notised in richmond they have stopped using two lines for give way, and insted of writing

WAY
GIVE

they just have a triangle. I guess they have decided that using that much paint is a waste of money?

[eliot-ness]

they just have a triangle. I guess they have decided that using that much paint is a waste of money?[/QUOTE]

As I posted earlier. Changes are already in place. (Check Nelson City. Road marking) on the web. These changes are the the result, apparently, of lobbying by cyclists' No mention of motorcycling safety.Can't say I'm in favour of leaving the old paint to wear off naturally but it's a start. Interesting point. Cyclists are now subject to the same rules as the rest of us re. speeding, dangerous driving etc.. We could take a few lessons from them re lobbying and organisation.
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[Waylander]

As I posted earlier. Changes are already in place. (Check Nelson City. Road marking) on the web. These changes are the the result, apparently, of lobbying by cyclists' No mention of motorcycling safety.Can't say I'm in favour of leaving the old paint to wear off naturally but it's a start. Interesting point. Cyclists are now subject to the same rules as the rest of us re. speeding, dangerous driving etc.. We could take a few lessons from them re lobbying and organisation.
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Learning from them would be good but it would be better if we can get cyclists to work with us and us with them. Alot of what is dangerous for them is dangerous for us and vice versa. Would certainly give us a louder voice in things.

[inlinefour]

I've been riding going on 25 years now. Generally speaking, I've not really had much of a problem with the paint on the road, that is once I got decient tyres onto my bike. Yea, if your an idiot and throttle hard, then your likely to skid and slide. If your going too fast and break hard, your likely to loose traction and the ability to stop. Now all the complainers, stop. We all have the responsibility to ride to the conditions. If that means we have to ride like some old nana, then so be it. I asked my Uncle once about the paint (worked for the M.O.W), he reckoned that due to costings, it was unlikely to change. Sure enough 15 years on, it is still the same. Most of us riders that have been around a while, treat the road surface with the respect that it deserves. Its not up to the powers that be, to change the road to suit you,. Rather its up to you and I to change our riding style to suit the road surface. I believe that if there is a rider here who is unwilling to do so, then that individual has no right to be on a motorcycle. My registration and insurance premiums are enough. Stupid behaviour will only make them worse...

[Jabez]

Ok,

The LTSA has a "2010 Road Safety Strategy" we would need to take this in to account. The Conclusion of submissions is to adopt a mixed approach to safety that is policing and improvments to road quality.

By leveraging this strategy and offering the re-specification of anti-skid properties of road paint and joining seal as a cost effective safety measure...

we could have a case and be able to get some money spent...

is there anything else we want whilst we are at it?

Yes, How about allowing us to use the motorway bus lanes!!!