should we protest against learners in high-powered cars?

[Lou Girardin]

Compulsory thrid party insurance will only be effective in keeping high risk tossers off the road if it's enforced. What's the chance of that happening?

[Pixie]

Saw a news item this morning.A Perth Co. has developed a data logger/transmitter with a view to have them fitted to hoon's cars by court order.Like a Lo-Jack it tells the cops what speed the Hoon is doing and where he is and can be downloaded at a later date whereupon the Hoon gets a fine for all his offences over the period of his sentence.

[scumdog]

Compulsory thrid party insurance will only be effective in keeping high risk tossers off the road if it's enforced. What's the chance of that happening?

Probably as much as anything -but what penalty?? impoundment?

Down here they let you take away their $400 rocket and shrug their shoulders and shoot off and buy another one, leaving the old one for the towie to dispose of after the 28 days are up, cheaper way to do it than pay tow/impoundment fees.

Those with flasher registered cars WOULD have 3rd party insurance but it still wouldn't stop their hopeless 'driving'.

[scumdog]

Can any of you guys please explain your insurance system to me?

I only ask as from time to time I see comments about "compulsory insurance" or "I really should get insured" etc.

Do you not have to have insurance?

Over here, you MUST be insured, end of story. There are three levels:

Third Party Only (fairly obvious)
Third Party Fire & Theft (same as above, but if your bike catches fire or is stolen, then you'll get a payout)
Fully Comprehensive (pays for everything, inclusive of any damage if you have an 'off')

Obviously, TPO is cheapest, followed by TPF&T and then FC.

Do you guys not have a similar system?

Dunno if anybody has mentioned it Bob but years ago it use to be that when you paid for your registration you got automatic 3rd Party insurance, I think that went the way of the dodo when our ACC came in, now it is up to the individual and we get heaps of crashes where the innocent party is out of pocket due to Johnny Retard having no insurance at all.

[avgas]

I think it should be compulsory for all people to attend a 'Thrash day' in there car while sitting their license. When i first was learning to drive, i had a big accident (failed to take a 90 degree corner at 100kph in a Hilux). I never touched a car again untill 2 years later - where me an my father built a car.......which i then raced, off road. While building the car i had various paddock bashers to get my skill up. The skills i learnt doing that at 100,000 better then some shitty AA instructor could have taught me. Now whenever i get in ANY vehicle it takes me about 5 mins to have everything sorted. People dont know the limitations of their vehicles. and all AA instructors teach you (sorry if there are some on here - but im still yet to find a good one), is BRAKE in any situation..........THIS IS HORRIBLY WRONG. What happens in a slide??? ABS fails????
Oh and those of you who believe that im all shit......i have been driving now for about 5 years.....and apart from that very first crash (7 years ago), i have had no other ones in a car. And i dont drive nicely either.
As for high HP cars in the hands of the youth......im still havent been endaged or hit by one on the bike/car, but (bus drivers, old people, office workers, van owners, couriers, old people, and people about 40ish with their familys in the car) have all scared the shit out of me, or endagered me on the road.
I know no-one is saying that all youth in fast cars are bad drivers, but im just saying "All people who are not educated drivers, are bad drivers".
On a final note....."Use brakes, before horns morons"

[madboy]

Bugjuice, I woulda kept an AMG mirror souvenir.

Fellas, good points made here by all, but fact is - rules only work if people choose to obey them. Compulsory this, compulsory that doesn't mean jack if people flaunt them. Once society figures out a way to change peoples attitudes, then we'll have a safer driving/riding environment.

Laws didn't stop me cruising around at midnight with a car load of mates on my restricted car license. Laws didn't stop me carrying a pillion on my 400 at well over 100k on my learners.

The AA educated me to pass my restricted car license. Experience taught me that it wasn't a particularly smart thing to do some things in a car. Fortunately I could thrash cars, crash cars and race cars until I'd developed a reasonable sense of car control. Then over time I developed enough common sense to calm it down and realise that the best drivers know when to back off, not when to bring it on. That common sense kicked in around mid to late 20s. After I'd driven several hundred thousand kays (I did a LOT of driving). I'm only 29 now.

Education taught me that it wasn't a particularly good idea to do a few things on the bike. Education also taught me what to do in a few situations where it was needed too. And as my experience grows, so does my skill level and the development of common sense on a bike.

But in saying all that - I still choose to flout certain laws because my personal values are agreeable to that. My bike is almost NEVER registered (a WOF is safety, rego is tax), I just bought a car that owes me $412 to take my daughter to school in. It'll never break 60km/h, but it will never be registered either. I still speed, both in my car and to a much greater extent on the bike. There are laws against these! But does this all make me a "bad" driver/rider?

Attitude, that's where it's at. And all kiwis are brilliant drivers, it's our God given right to drive and no bastard spouting common sense is gonna save us from ourselves!!

[Lou Girardin]

Probably as much as anything -but what penalty?? impoundment?

Down here they let you take away their $400 rocket and shrug their shoulders and shoot off and buy another one, leaving the old one for the towie to dispose of after the 28 days are up, cheaper way to do it than pay tow/impoundment fees.

Those with flasher registered cars WOULD have 3rd party insurance but it still wouldn't stop their hopeless 'driving'.

That's an easy one. Make it illegal for a dealer to sell to someone without insurance. If they buy through someone else then drive it, it's aiding and abetting.

[Lou Girardin]

I think it should be compulsory for all people to attend a 'Thrash day' in there car while sitting their license. When i first was learning to drive, i had a big accident (failed to take a 90 degree corner at 100kph in a Hilux). I never touched a car again untill 2 years later - where me an my father built a car.......which i then raced, off road. While building the car i had various paddock bashers to get my skill up. The skills i learnt doing that at 100,000 better then some shitty AA instructor could have taught me. Now whenever i get in ANY vehicle it takes me about 5 mins to have everything sorted. People dont know the limitations of their vehicles. and all AA instructors teach you (sorry if there are some on here - but im still yet to find a good one), is BRAKE in any situation..........THIS IS HORRIBLY WRONG. What happens in a slide??? ABS fails????
Oh and those of you who believe that im all shit......i have been driving now for about 5 years.....and apart from that very first crash (7 years ago), i have had no other ones in a car. And i dont drive nicely either.
As for high HP cars in the hands of the youth......im still havent been endaged or hit by one on the bike/car, but (bus drivers, old people, office workers, van owners, couriers, old people, and people about 40ish with their familys in the car) have all scared the shit out of me, or endagered me on the road.
I know no-one is saying that all youth in fast cars are bad drivers, but im just saying "All people who are not educated drivers, are bad drivers".
On a final note....."Use brakes, before horns morons"

Jeez, it took me 8 years before I became a driving God. You do well, Grasshopper.

[Ixion]

That's an easy one. Make it illegal for a dealer to sell to someone without insurance. If they buy through someone else then drive it, it's aiding and abetting.

Lease vehicles.
Company cars
Cars driven by multiple drivers.
Lots of people I now of own cars but don't drive them themselves.
Off road vehicles
Vintage vehicles

One thing you can be sure of - if you invite the Government to make laws about it, motorcyclists will come out on the bad side, and we'll all regret it.

[Motu]

When I lived on Waiheke Island in the late 80s,one individual worked to start a dirt track on the Island,through his efforts some land was secured and the club started - the aim was to get the young guys away from hooning around the streets...and it worked,very well.Every young guy found an old Corolla,gutted it and fitted a roll cage made out of 4x4 posts....and went racing.They learnt a hell of a lot about cars,about driving,about being involved in a club and about their place in the community - the track is still going.Over the years more classes had to be formed as they developed driving and car building skills,they joined the club committy and generaly powered the Dirt Track Club forward.After the dirt Track had been running a couple or so years,I started to get young guys on bikes using the dirt track along with another rider who I worked with doing other things like enduros and skills training on bikes.We weren't as successful as the car guys and they ultimatly kicked us of ''their'' track for having too much fun.

Anyway,every young guy who raced on the track improved their driving imeasurably,you could really see the change come over them....it was low bucks,real low bucks,it was not many rules...and most important - IT WAS FUN!!!!

[Ixion]

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Anyway,every young guy who raced on the track improved their driving imeasurably,you could really see the change come over them....it was low bucks,real low bucks,it was not many rules...and most important - IT WAS FUN!!!!

FUN !!?? FUN !!??

You sociopathatic bolshevist nilhilist you.

What do mean by encouraging and assisting youff to have FUN. Don't you know that's illegal. HIGHLY illegal. And if somethings that's fun hasn't been made illegal yet, the Gubbernmint will make it illegal as soon as they find out

You can't have youff going around having FUN. Where would it all end ?

Youff have to be made miserabe, and cowed and guilty. They're guilty anyway, of something (of being young will do if nothing else is available). So they should be made to feel guilty.

If it is still running, just drop a line to a Minister, they'll have it closed down in no time

FUN indeed . Don't know what the worlds coming to.

Didn't go through six world wars, a depression and have to live by consuming my own toenails to end up seeing youff having FUN. Bah, humbug.

[Two Smoker]

Bike Licences:

upto 250cc on Learners, take away the 70kmh limit (that limit is a crock of shit)
upto 400cc on restricted.
upto whateveryouwant cc on Full (The jump from a 400 to a 1000 would be far easier, if that rider chose to)

Car Licences:

Learners start at 16 (doesnt matter what car they drive as they will be supervised)

Restricted, restrict the power of the vehicle to 100kW (at the crank)

Full, drive what you want...

ALSO, Defensive Driving courses are required before sitting your full...

[Mr Skid]

restrict the power of the vehicle to 100km (at the crank)

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[Two Smoker]

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