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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    Sadly my friend. The fuckers breed faster than they kill themselves according to stats.
    This is why the USA seems to get more and more of them as time continues.
    Someone needs to tell them to put the dick down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    There are a lot of people with seriious brain and spinal injuries, well and truly alive, and counted in the "helmet saved me" figures.
    Hey some of us were brain damaged before the crash.
    It's "serious" by the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    Hey some of us were brain damaged before the crash.
    It's "serious" by the way
    That's probably half the reason for the crash happening in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Something you've said on a few occasions but so far you have been unable to provide any figures to back up your claim when asked to
    Data on head injury and spinal injury rates due to motorcycle crashes does not seem to be publicly published, even assuming it is recorded.

    However, your neck was designed only to carry the weight of your head. Simple physics dictates that adding 2 kg must have some effect on the structure.

    The same applies to the severity of head injuries.

    If we accept that a helmet mitigates the effects of an impact, we must also accept that there will be some injuries that would have resulted in brain injury to the point of death, that now result in brain injury to the brink of death.

    I accept that it can't be directly demonstrated, as I can't find any direct data.

    What I can find is that motorcycle death rates remained stable from the 60's through to the 80's.

    But by the late 70's spinal injury rates had reached the point where we needed dedicated spinal units (1977 Otara) and 1979 (Burwood).

    If you have ever been unfortunate enough to visit either of these places, you will find a good percentage of patients were motorcyclists.

    It is not my view that helmets are of no value.

    It is my view, that if you ride down the road helmet-less, and feel vulnerable, that is because you are.

    It is also my view that if you ride down the road helmeted and feel invulnerable, that you should have a rethink, as statistically you are only a little safer than when helmet-less .
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    I agree that helmets are of value. When they became compulsory I swore I would never ride with a full-face bucket. I finally got one when I moved to Wellington and had to commute in that gawd-awful weather. At least I got to work reasonably dry.

    The first time I dumped a bike with a full-face helmet on the chin piece looked like someone had taken an angle-grinder to it. That would have been my face in an open-face helmet. So I've never ridden without a full-face since. Dropped a bike badly since then - and was very thankful for the full-face helmet - the helmet was badly damaged, but I walked away (well, limped away) and only had mild concusion.

    Davereid: I agree the stats you gave us don't completely support the value of helmets and there is an increase in deaths after that initial period ... but as I said, that was a time when there was an increase in bikes on the road as people bought them for cheap transport, so a full comparison of deaths per 100 bikes on the road would show a better picture.

    Regardless - Helmets save lives and I would not ride without one ever again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    No wof is definitely more dangerous.
    No wof means he could do everything in his power and the bike would fail causing a crash.
    No helmet just means he will only make one mistake in his life. And the the general public will never have to deal with him again.

    I say decrease the fine for no helmet to $10
    Why not pay the person when caught wth no helmet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Rider View Post
    .....but I'll only ping em for this much...... like that is being gracious, and educational. Everyone is sooooo appreciative of there consideration and good manners.
    Bastards.... cutting slack like that.... don't they realise there is a quota to achieve? Blardy useless....

    Quote Originally Posted by duckonin View Post
    Tell that to the cop in the South it cost him more than $150 4 'failing to give way.
    Ah... but injuries or worse increases the fines.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    WTF: They put the ACC levies up and the fines for no helmet DOWN??
    Next year we will read head injuries are up and ACC has to go up again!
    WTF: There just ain't no sense in this world anymore??
    Tis a conspiracy.....

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