Rego increases

[Max Preload]

There should be a discount for the registered owners of multiple 'private' motor vehicles at least, just makes common sence ?

As many have said, you can only ride one at a time.

And someone else can ride/drive the others.

[MarkH]

And someone else can ride/drive the others.

That's the problem isn't it - one person may own 4 bikes and a family might own 4 bikes. The person that is the only one to use their 4 bikes is paying 4 lots of ACC levy (over $2K now) and is getting overcharged terribly. The family that has 4 bikes between 4 riders is paying what they should. If you allow one person to register 4 bikes and only pay one ACC levy then you might find that both examples register 4 bikes in one name and save a heap of ACC levy, but the family of 4 riders is ripping off the system. A parking warden can't tell if the system is being ripped off - the bike they are looking at IS registered. A police officer that runs a license plate check can see that the bike IS registered.

ACC takes the easy way out and requires every vehicle registered to pay the ACC levy - which of course is going to be unfair on some. Not that they give a fuck about any of us, of course.

The solution:
Allow competition - some competitor would run through a check list and decide a fair accident insurance premium which you pay, then you don't need to pay an ACC levy on your rego or on petrol you buy. If they privatise ACC then surely they will have to open it up to competition?

[breakaway]

If they privatise ACC then surely they will have to open it up to competition?

Yeah, because that's worked for so many other countries right? Oh wait.

[baptist]

Why not scrap all rego's and put it all on the price of petrol, that way you get a real user pays system. I guess this might cause a few strops from the owners of big 4x4's and V8's but it may be the fairest thing to do? just a naughty thoughty

[MaxB]

Why not scrap all rego's and put it all on the price of petrol, that way you get a real user pays system. I guess this might cause a few strops from the owners of big 4x4's and V8's but it may be the fairest thing to do? just a naughty thoughty

But the guvermint robbers seem to prefer fixed fees to levies because we can choose not to drive so much or buy luxury goods but with stuff like rates, income tax and regos they can hike them them anytme they want.

[pzkpfw]

Why not scrap all rego's and put it all on the price of petrol, that way you get a real user pays system. I guess this might cause a few strops from the owners of big 4x4's and V8's but it may be the fairest thing to do? just a naughty thoughty

Surely someone has the numbers: how much ACC gets out of regos, and how much petrol is burned in NZ.

That'd tell us how much the petrol would have to go up, if the ACC fee went down.

(Of course, ACC want us "dangerous bikes" to pay more than those "safe cars", so they wouldn't think the petrol-fee idea is fair, anyway.)

((Presumably someone also has statistics to say whether more km's = more chance of accident or not. e.g. maybe it's the weekend riders (who buy less petrol so would pay less fees on that petrol) that crash more than regular riders?))

(((I don't think any system will be fully "fair" for everyone. Which is why I think the old system was best - just spread the cost out as much as possible over a large group, and tough luck that some car drivers "subsidise" bike riders.)))

[davereid]

Surely someone has the numbers: how much ACC gets out of regos, and how much petrol is burned in NZ.

That'd tell us how much the petrol would have to go up, if the ACC fee went down.

Yep. I did it for the BIKEOI. The figure is $0.08 per litre if all fuels are taxed. Or $0.12 per litre if just petrol is taxed.

ACC won't buy this. The reason is they want to use Registration as a tool to engineer you into the sort of vehicle they want you in. So towards cars with ABS, ESC, multiple airbags and away from bikes etc.

The Government won't buy it either. They wish to privatise the motorvehicle insurance system and bring in compulsory third party insurance as an alternative.

This will cost much more than our current system, so first you need to be softened up, and second ACC needs to be fully funded, so it can be sold.

[MarkH]

Bigger bikes use more fuel, actually not so much bigger bikes as more powerful bikes - a GSXR-1000 will use more fuel than a ST-1300. So the bikes with more grunt (more dangerous) would pay more ACC per Km ridden than the smaller, slower commuter bikes - at least ACC should like that.

Even though I run up fairly high kms I'd be quite happy to pay ACC on fuel instead of rego.

[baptist]

I agree that the government would not like it for a multitude of reasons, but if bikers and other groups with an interest in the idea put pressure on their MP's etc, who knows, the government seem to like all this user pays stuff when it comes to new roads (tolls), it just seems to make sense and evens out the costs. I forgot for a minute then that most MP's don't care what we think as they are elected on a list I'll just

[Pixie]

The "On Hold "rules are going to be reviewed.

In other words you won't be able to put a motorcycle "on Hold"

[MarkH]

The "On Hold "rules are going to be reviewed.

In other words you won't be able to put a motorcycle "on Hold"

How would that work for genuine cases? i.e. a motorcycle off the road for 6 months or a bike being repaired or customized and not currently running, etc.

[breakaway]

The "On Hold "rules are going to be reviewed.

You got a source for that? Or is that just more hearsay?

[trailblazer]

i agree that it sucks that rego has gone up. It stung me both with my bike and with my 4x4. So instead of crying about it i have just sold my 4x4 in favour of the bike as it is way cheaper to run and the money i save on rego i will just buy a rain suit and tough it out on shitty days. I would rather the increase would go onto the price of fuel but like others have said it ain't fair to those people that drive there safe toyota prius and its those sort of nana cars that they are tring to get us into instead of our bikes. I have heard from a mate that is a cop that there are alot more of the acc and police stops that they have just done in the coromandal for all over the country over the next year so if you chose to put rego on hold you will end up paying anyway.

[Max Preload]

The "On Hold "rules are going to be reviewed.

In other words you won't be able to put a motorcycle "on Hold"

I've heard nothing regarding this and I keep my ear very close to the ground on these matters. Got a source?

[rastuscat]

You got a source for that? Or is that just more hearsay?

It's not hearsay.

The Ministry of Transport has several regional advisors regarding legislation. The one down here (earthquakeville) (and he's actually a good bugger) has talked about having to hand your plate in before the rego goes on hold. That way, if you're on hold and riding it'll be with no plate. You'll stick out like dogs nuts.

That looks like bing no problem for genuine cases, but would stop folk who are wroughting the system.

Of course, if you have no plate, you'll just twist the wrist and ride away, but that's another issue..............