MAG-NZ launches in New Zealand

**Maha** · 28th August 2010, 18:33

Originally Posted by renegade master

mag sounds like nag

It does, but it hell beats our other choice...Bikers Action Group....

**Big Dave** · 28th August 2010, 18:34

Originally Posted by MSTRS

I support the pro-active drive behind this new entity. I might be wrong, probably am, but to me it seems that Bronz doesn't seem to have the same passion?

I don't know for sure either. Les has kicked some goals. Finn has worked tirelessly for years. Peggy is Stoic. Stoney - Riffer - ya know - they have put in.

Like I say - I personally don't care what flag we're rallying around in the fight for better treatment for motorcyclists - BRONZ is and always has been open to suggestions - it wouldn't take a palace coup to make it become MAG.

My 'concern' is there is only enough of us for one flag to have any chance at decision making level. It's not a really multi-issue platform. The currency is membership numbers.

The Motorcycle Council that is being mooted will probably take precedence anyway.

**NONONO** · 28th August 2010, 18:35

I think that's the real point here BD..
ESSENTIALLY not the same.
Essentially (at it's very core) MAG-NZ is about action.
Action on a personal, local and national level.
We will get there, and sincerely, we hope you can be part of that.

**Pixie** · 28th August 2010, 18:42

Originally Posted by Big Dave

If this can be a more workable or better option than BRONZ model I wish it well. I'm sure we all will.

At the moment what I see is it making the situation worse by further fragmenting the numbers represented.

The Ulysses club is the most quoted motorcycling advocate/spokesperson because they have the biggest membership.

We don't need 'another' action group - we need one strong one. I don't really care which one it is - but the answer isn't in duplication.

What do you mean "another action group"?
Where are the others?

**Big Dave** · 28th August 2010, 18:43

Originally Posted by Pixie

What do you mean "another action group"?
Where are the others?

You reckon the BIKOI would have happened without Les, Lars and Stoney?

**The Pastor** · 28th August 2010, 18:43

Originally Posted by Maha

It does, but it hell beats our other choice...Bikers Action Group....

Hey, don't bag on that name!

**Pixie** · 28th August 2010, 18:44

Originally Posted by rustic101

Whole heartedly agree with what Big Dave said.

Dependant on the approach it may be seen as 'just another group of munters'... I note there is a section on wire rope barriers, which are perfectly safe, yet there is nothing on rider safety or skills preventing riders from making contact with said objects.

As BD, said its about strength in unity. Ulysses appear to have at least some 'street cred', Which I must join eventually.

Good effort though and I wish you luck but it appears its just another group like BRONZ.

Tell the people in the crushed car that featured in "Road Police" two weeks ago that WRB's are perfectly safe.Seems they couldn't stop a truck crossing the motorway.....

**Katman** · 28th August 2010, 19:00

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Like I say - I personally don't care what flag we're rallying around in the fight for better treatment for motorcyclists - BRONZ is and always has been open to suggestions - it wouldn't take a palace coup to make it become MAG.

That's easily fixed.

BRONZ could accept the fact that they've had their chance to make a difference and Motorcycling could now be better served by BRONZ aligning themselves behind MAG-NZ.

**Bikemad** · 28th August 2010, 19:00

interesting thread............im off now to read up on the MAG thing..........

**rustic101** · 28th August 2010, 19:01

Originally Posted by Pixie

Tell the people in the crushed car that featured in "Road Police" two weeks ago that WRB's are perfectly safe.Seems they couldn't stop a truck crossing the motorway.....

The system worked very well in that particular case. It could well have been worse!

The point I was and will continue to make is - Place emphases on prevention rather than cure. Every, yes every crash is avoidable, that includes car trucks buses and us.

Motorcyclists have their knickers in a knot over Wire Rope Barriers causing harm, rather than addressing the real issue, their speed, observation, risk taking and riding style etc.

**Katman** · 28th August 2010, 19:04

Originally Posted by Big Dave

You reckon the BIKOI would have happened without Les, Lars and Stoney?

Lars excluded, egos got in the way of the other two.

**NONONO** · 28th August 2010, 19:05

Originally Posted by rustic101

The system worked very well in that particular case. It could well have been worse!

The point I was and will continue to make is - Place emphases on prevention rather than cure. Every, yes every crash is avoidable, that includes car trucks buses and us.

Motorcyclists have their knickers in a knot over Wire Rope Barriers causing harm, rather than addressing the real issue, their speed, observation, risk taking and riding style etc.

Sounds like you won't be joining us then, thanks for your interest in the thread anyway.....

**AD345** · 28th August 2010, 19:15

Originally Posted by NONONO

Sounds like you won't be joining us then, thanks for your interest in the thread anyway.....

Not trying to stifle debate are ya?

**Bikemad** · 28th August 2010, 19:20

righto.........had a read........everything seems in order............im sure caseye wouldnt be invoved in anything too dodgy.......ahem......happy to bring my $20 along on launch day.......