Something big??

[FEINT]

Glad the caught the bad guy.

This might be slightly off topic, but what is happening to Auckland??? Had some family friends (in their 50's) that had their car hi-jacked from Epsom on Friday night. Two young men, hijacked their car when they got home. The husband was punched and ended in hospital. Not good. Just thought I would share what has been happening.

[Fart]

NZ is slowly but surely loosing our image as a Pure, Clean, Green and Friendly nation in the pacific. Very sad.

[Zed]

This might be slightly off topic, but what is happening to Auckland??? Had some family friends (in their 50's) that had their car hi-jacked from Epsom on Friday night. Two young men, hijacked their car when they got home. The husband was punched and ended in hospital. Not good.

That's a terrible ordeal to have to go through!

I don't think anything *special* is happening to Auckland at the moment crime wise Mr Feint, IMHO it's deteriorating just like everywhere else in the world!

[spudchucka]

I gave my prediction, you gave yours.

I'll be keen to see what the outcome of the trial will be?

209.Kidnapping—

(1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years who unlawfully carries off or detains any person without his consent, or with his consent obtained by fraud or duress, with intent—

(a)To cause him to be confined or imprisoned; or

(b)To cause him to be sent or taken out of New Zealand; or

(c)To hold him for ransom or to service.

(2)A child under the age of 16 years shall be deemed to be incapable of consenting to being carried off or detained.

(3)No one shall be convicted of an offence against this section who gets possession of any child, claiming in good faith a right to the possession of the child.

14 years for kidnapping.

198A.Using any firearm against law enforcement officer, etc—

(1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years who uses any firearm in any manner whatever against any member of the Police, or any traffic officer, or any prison officer, acting in the course of his or her duty knowing that, or being reckless whether or not, that person is a member of the Police or a traffic officer or a prison officer so acting.

(2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who uses any firearm in any manner whatever with intent to resist the lawful arrest or detention of himself or herself or of any other person.]

Another 10 - 14 years for shooting at the pigs.

198.Discharging firearm or doing dangerous act with intent—

(1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years who, with intent to do grievous bodily harm,—

(a)Discharges any firearm, airgun, or other similar weapon at any person; or

(b)Sends or delivers to any person, or puts in any place, any explosive or injurious substance or device; or

(c)Sets fire to any property.

(2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, with intent to injure, or with reckless disregard for the safety of others, does any of the acts referred to in subsection (1) of this section.

Possibly another 7 - 14 years.

226.Conversion of vehicle or other conveyance—

(1)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, dishonestly and without claim of right, but not so as to be guilty of theft, takes or uses for his or her own purposes or another person's purposes—

(a)any vehicle, ship, or aircraft; or

(b)any part of any vehicle, ship, or aircraft; or

(c)any horse.

(2)Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who attempts to commit the offence in subsection (1) or who, dishonestly and without claim of right, interferes with, or gets into or upon, any vehicle, ship, or aircraft.]

7 years for pinching a car.

Plus a bunch of other offences such as the reckless driving etc etc.

Potentially about 50 years worth if convicted and if the judiciary had any balls. But it won't happen!

[NC]

So that's 5 years with parol after 18months?

[Badcat]

Go easy...obviously society has failed him.

ahhh - sorry - have i missed something?
how is it obviously society has failed him?
all we know is he took hostages and shot at cops, isn't it?
please explain, as to me so far he looks like someone who decided that shooting a gun at the cops and random strangers was ok.

------beware - myopic opinion ahead----
maybe i'm a redneck, but my life sucked in parts too.
i'm still aware that taking hostages and shooting guns in city streets is declaring war on the police, and there are obvious consequences to that kind of action.

i'd be really interested to hear what kind of circumstances in this poor little sausage's lonely life made his basic responsibilities to my society and my family null and void.

after sharing your insight, perhaps we can all adjust our opinions, and maybe rehabilitate this poor victim of our harsh society. Maybe next door to you and your family.

am i over-reacting?

[Ghost Lemur]

Plus a bunch of other offences such as the reckless driving etc etc.

Potentially about 50 years worth if convicted and if the judiciary had any balls. But it won't happen!

Could he still be done for reckless driving even though he wasn't the one at the wheel? It certainly could be argued (and I would) that he was still the one in control of the vehicle. I heard the "chase" never even broke the speed limit.

[Zed]

14 years for kidnapping.

Another 10 - 14 years for shooting at the pigs.

Possibly another 7 - 14 years.

7 years for pinching a car.

Plus a bunch of other offences such as the reckless driving etc etc.

Potentially about 50 years worth if convicted and if the judiciary had any balls. But it won't happen!

If he doesn't get a substantial amount of jail time then our justice system is just as corrupt as the criminal himself and is wronging our society!

It must be frustratingly difficult being a policeman involved in crimes such as yesterday and knowing that the offender will probably not get his just punnishment...scary in fact!

[Ixion]

.. society has failed him

Bah --- here we go....

I think perhaps Mr Pixie was being sarcastic ?

[mangell6]

Why is the phrase "not exceeding" so prevalent in spudchuckas quoted pieces, I prefer the phrase of "minimum of", would help the judiciary with sentencing decisions.

Remember that society is always to blame for ones own actions.

[Zed]

Man in court on kidnapping charges

06.06.05 1.20pm

An unemployed west Auckland man who sparked a 15-car police chase yesterday has appeared in the Auckland District Court today on kidnapping charges. The man allegedly took three members of a family hostage. Shots were fired during the chase which ended when a car hit a streetlight on the Northwestern motorway. Leonard Archer Hall, 34-years-old, was charged with three counts of kidnapping. Hall, whose face is heavily tattooed, entered no plea and has been remanded in custody. He will reappear tomorrow. He swore at police as he was taken back into custody, Newstalk ZB reported. Police are continuing their inquiry and it is likely more charges will be laid. - Newstalk ZB --------- | --------- More charges better be laid!

[Zed]

From stuff.co.nz:

"More serious charges were expected and Mr Pearson said police would ask for a remand in custody when the man appeared before justices of the peace in court.
"Next week when the type of (additional) charges come out you will see how dangerous it was for everyone," Mr Pearson said.

The Police Complaints Authority had been told of the incident. "

Whole article

[crashe]

OK lets rack our brains here a bit...

How long did the guy get for kidnapping Donna Hall's baby a few years ago... wasnt it only a couple of years....?

So this dude will only get a couple of years in prison.... for hi-jacking a car, Kidnapping 3 people, shooting at police and the general public and all the other charges thrown at him.
If all he gets is a few years in jail.. then it suxs...

If say one of the elderly couple dies from this incident, as they went into shock and they looked really old, then throw a 'manslaughter' charge at him as well.

Its time the judges stopped being "soft cocks" when handing down sentences.
Time to be damn tough of these guys... The dude already has his 'patch' and has 'proved' his worth to his gang in the past... so its time to teach these gang members that enough is enough.

My daughter was in the area that he was firing shots at.. and had to also come back down the nor-western motorway to get home... at any time when this maniac was firing shots he could have hit her or any other member of the public.

No more excuses, he is responsible for his own actions.
We have to stop the courts allowing him to say that 'P' or being bashed up as a kid or abused or any other excuse... He is a adult, and must face the consquences of HIS actions... only he did it.. nothing else.

[Fart]

I, too am sick of the crime rate in NZ. Sick and tired of criminals only getting a slap on the hand for serious crimes.

Time for Fart to vote a government that will be serious about reducing crime and restructuring the police force. I will vote the party that will dramatically increase the punishment for serious crime and firing the current police commissioner and minister of police.

[spudchucka]

Could he still be done for reckless driving even though he wasn't the one at the wheel? It certainly could be argued (and I would) that he was still the one in control of the vehicle. I heard the "chase" never even broke the speed limit.

I didn't realise that another person was driving. Its an interesting one, as you say, it may be argued that he had control of the vehicle, however I think it unlikely that he would be charged with any driving offence considering the gravity of the other charges he is likely to face.