Just in case you didn't think you were a second class citizen...

[98tls]

This sure beats Coronation Street,remember that old song "vodeo killed the radio star".they should make another "the interweb turned motorcyclists into a bunch of whingers".Jesus, cry me a farking river.

[Scuba_Steve]

Any reply?

About the RBT??? My answer would have to be Yes & No, unlike WOF/Licence's check these DO serve a purpose. But I do have issues with where they place some of them & the way they're policed.

Also my vehicles are my private property I paid for them I own them they are mine, I use them on public roads but they are still my private property.

[onearmedbandit]

About the RBT??? My answer would have to be Yes & No, unlike WOF/Licence's check these DO serve a purpose. But I do have issues with where they place some of them & the way they're policed.

Also my vehicles are my private property I paid for them I own them they are mine, I use them on public roads but they are still my private property.

When did we start talking about them searching your car? They have to have suspicion first, most likely under the misuse of drugs act.

And rego/wof/license are legal requirements to use your vehicle on the public road. They are there for a reason, even if they are not highly effective. By making sure unsafe cars and unsafe drivers are off the roads, the safer it is for everyone else.

[R6_kid:Me]

Wof/rego/licence check stop = fair enough.
Stop for a 'chat' because I was doing something wrong = fair enough.
Stop to lecture on safe riding = fuck off.

I've not had a MVA since 1974. I rather think I know what I'm doing = goodbye.

Cmon Johnny Boy... what's with the attitude? What if they were also warning riders of possible dangers that they wouldn't otherwise know about? Even a simple reminder to stay away from the center line on your pootle over the coro loop might be the thought in the back of your mind that saves your life.

I know that I've been quite lucky to get away with my life on a number of occasions where I wasn't in the wrong.

Funnily enough, from being involved with the BRONZ RRRS I for one know that the people who often need the most training and education are the ones who say they know it all and don't need any help. I know you're an experienced rider but no doubt there will be something that even you might gain from the little lecture. Maybe save the 'holier than thou' spiel til after you've actually been stopped and confirmed for or against that they really are just wasting our time and wanting to discriminate and incriminate us like so many seem to think.

[Scuba_Steve]

When did we start talking about them searching your car? They have to have suspicion first, most likely under the misuse of drugs act.

And rego/wof/license are legal requirements to use your vehicle on the public road. They are there for a reason, even if they are not highly effective. By making sure unsafe cars and unsafe drivers are off the roads, the safer it is for everyone else.

Touché
However I will say that while WOF's and license's are there "for a good reason" all they do nowadays is show that you've given the the Govt money.

[onearmedbandit]

Touché
However I will say that while WOF's and license's are there "for a good reason" all they do nowadays is show that you've given the the Govt money.

And I completely agree with that.

[Ocean1]

And rego/wof/license are legal requirements to use your vehicle on the public road. They are there for a reason, even if they are not highly effective. By making sure unsafe cars and unsafe drivers are off the roads, the safer it is for everyone else.

Making sure unsafe cars and drivers are off the roads? Where do you live dude?

Sorry mate, none of those requirements has any such effect. Any interpretation of their purpose as anything other than a revenue stream is either uninformed or delusional.

[onearmedbandit]

Making sure unsafe cars and drivers are off the roads? Where do you live dude?

Sorry mate, none of those requirements has any such effect. Any interpretation of their purpose as anything other than a revenue stream is either uninformed or delusional.

I implied it in my post, but just to reaffirm my position, see here...

Touché
However I will say that while WOF's and license's are there "for a good reason" all they do nowadays is show that you've given the the Govt money.

And I completely agree with that.

[bogan]

Making sure unsafe cars and drivers are off the roads? Where do you live dude?

Sorry mate, none of those requirements has any such effect. Any interpretation of their purpose as anything other than a revenue stream is either uninformed or delusional.

Some euro group did a report on thier version of wofs, made for some very interesting reading, I had a look for it again but I can't find it.... anyway, iirc 0.7% of accidents are caused by vehicle issues, and of that 0.7 the majority were simple things like tyres etc that would likely to wear down between checks anyway. Their recommendation was to do without them, as the economic burden was greater than the potential benefits.

[98tls]

Some euro group did a report on thier version of wofs, made for some very interesting reading, I had a look for it again but I can't find it.... anyway, iirc 0.7% of accidents are caused by vehicle issues, and of that 0.7 the majority were simple things like tyres etc that would likely to wear down between checks anyway. Their recommendation was to do without them, as the economic burden was greater than the potential benefits.

Why cant we apply such thought to our welfare system.

[riffer]

Absolutely Riffer, not one cent ha s been spent yet...YET?
What are you proposing to spend our money on..?
Nothing to do with ACC.
For gods sake, stop and think.......or piss or get off the pot.

Here's the official line NONONO.


The Motorcycle Safety levy will be payable by the registered owners of mopeds and motorcycles. It will form part of the existing Motor Vehicle Account, but the funds collected from the levy will be ring-fenced from the other funds in the Motor Vehicle Account and will be used exclusively for moped and motorcycle safety programmes. The existing criteria for promoting measures that reduce the incidence and severity of personal injury that are set out in section 263 of the principal Act will apply to the moped and motorcycle safety programmes.


There is $30 collected on top of your relicensing fee every time you pay. You will recall ACC is putting this money into a ring-fenced fund that will be specifically used on injury prevention initiatives to reduce the number and severity of motorcycle injuries and fatalities.



To oversee the design of the programme, ACC has set up an establishment group. The group’s aim is to ensure the MSL programme is set up with motorbike and moped riders at the forefront. They recently met for the first time in Wellington and their first task is to develop the foundations for how the MSL programme will be administered and operated.



The group is made of eight people representing the following groups; Ulysses Club of NZ Inc, Bikers Rights Organisation of NZ (BRONZ), Women’s International Motorcycle Association (WIMA), Motorcycling New Zealand, Scoot NZ, NZ Classic Scooter Club, Motor Industry Association, Ministry of Transport and the NZ Transport Agency. Seven of the group members are motorbike or scooter riders.



Peter McIntosh, of Ulysses, sees the potential from the use of the MSL funds for motorcyclists.



"For the first time we will have a dedicated safety fund for us as riders with genuine input from the motorcycling community on what types of initiatives will really benefit us. The Government and ACC have made a genuine commitment to working with motorcyclists in the operation of the Motorcycle Safety Levy to improve the safety of all motorcyclists. It is now in place and the best thing we can all do is to take a positive step forward and support it," says Mr McIntosh.
ACC is providing additional funding to cover administration, so that all funds collected, are used directly on funding safety initiatives rather than on the administration of the programme.



ACC General Manager Injury Prevention Keith McLea says the MSL programme’s success depends on input from motorcyclists on its design and development.
"We want to ensure this programme is set up for motorcyclists by motorcyclists," Dr McLea said.


ACC Minister Nick Smith adds: “Addressing this high injury rate is why the Government ring-fenced $30 of the moped/motorcycle levy for injury prevention. This new fund of $3 million per year will be modelled on the successful Transport Accident Commission’s programme in Victoria where since 2002 there has been a noticeable drop in the rate of injuries per motorcycle attributed to the levy and associated safety programme. Our collective ambition should be to reduce motorcycle fatalities in New Zealand from 50 per year to a rate comparable with that in Victoria. This would save 16 Kiwi lives a year.



Dr Smith was in Melbourne in August to hear first hand about the Victorian motorcycle safety programme. The Minister led a delegation that included representatives from ACC, the Ulysses Club of New Zealand, Bikers Rights Organisation of NZ (BRONZ), the Automobile Association and Motorcycling New Zealand.



“Motorcyclists are concerned over last year’s levy hikes but I am determined to find common ground in improving safety so as to reduce the road toll and the injury costs to ACC. I am encouraged by the commitment of ACC and the lead motorcycle organisations to learn from Victoria’s positive experience and make this new programme work for New Zealand motorcyclists,” Nick Smith, said.

[riffer]

Some added stuff from me now:


The MSL will recommend initiatives and call for RFIs and RFPs from interested parties through the Government Electronic Tenders System (GETS).



The MSL is completely independent of anything I have to say or think. I'm merely a member of the BRONZ Executive in Wellington. Which means I have input at branch level, and we pass input on to representatives of BRONZ who attend MSL meetings. We are but one cog in the wheel, and I play a very very small part.


As for what I want to do, my personal beliefs are very similar to BRONZ ones:

• To promote road safety through road user education.
• Education rather than legislation saves lives.
• To protect and promote the rights of the motorcyclist to decide his/her own future as a road user.
• Let those who ride decide.
• To promote and protect the general welfare of the motorcycling public.

I PERSONALLY want to see a lot more money spent on rider education and training programmes, awareness programmes, and changing public attitudes towards motorcycling in general.

I firmly believe a compulsory levy on users RING-FENCED especially for this task, and COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT of politicians, led by representatives of organisations with a history in New Zealand motorcycling is the best way to achieve this outcome.

But don't believe for a second that one person (me) can make a god-damned bit of difference if a bunch of devil-may-care hardliners insist on riding dangerously up the Coro Loop pissing the residents off and occasionally running off the road (or into each other).

[98tls]

Righto then i give up,38 years on 2 wheels ive from time to time heard of this "Bronz" thing though passed it off as nothing worth bothering with and no doubt similar to "Ulyssses" of which i had the rather forgettable experience of going for an "organized" ride with.Seems rather odd that these "groups" of motorcyclists stand up and voice the opinions of motorcyclists in general but hey im just old fashioned.

[onearmedbandit]

Making sure unsafe cars and drivers are off the roads? Where do you live dude?

Sorry mate, none of those requirements has any such effect. Any interpretation of their purpose as anything other than a revenue stream is either uninformed or delusional.

Actually, despite my stated stance, I will add this much. I got my warrant on my bike done yesterday, by a friend of mine who is a qualified mechanic/wof inspector and is also a long term motorcyclist. He might let me away with a horn that dies right at inspection time (last time) but he would not pass the bike with dodgy swingarm bearings, or wheel bearings etc etc. Sure brake pads/lights etc are all things I can easily check, but I'm happy to pay $25 to get the things I'm not sure of checked off by someone who does know what they are doing.

[swbarnett]

A friend and I were discussing this tonight, and he suggested that the crown own them.

Yes, but the crown is just a body representing the puiblic (or it's suppossed to be). As such we own the crown so, indirectly, we own anything they own.