Announcing BRONZ Federation Inc

[admenk]

I think it's a bad thing. There isn't enough numbers for one agenda to be truly effective.

But mabey both groups will keep each other focussed, like in politics where it's good to have both left and right leaning parties. Where we don't want to be like politics, is the childish tit for tat insults thrown about. (not by you, I hasten to add)

[GOONR]

Which has got to be a good thing. We may all have different opinions on tactics, but surely we have the same goals.

I agree with you, the end goal I believe is the same it's just the approach that may be different. I'm sure that there will also be cross overs where all organisations believe that the same approach is the most effective one for certain issues.

I will stick my neck out and say that MAG-NZ more than likely has members who would not join BRONZ for whatever reason and the same applies in reverse. In the end motorcyclists, bikers, or whatever you want to be called today will have a larger representation and more choice.

Many other countries don't just have one organisation for bikers to join so that their concerns can be addressed but those organisations support each other, I don't see why we in NZ can't do the same.

[Mom]

I for one am delighted to read that BRONZ has finally managed to get, or to be more accurate reinstate, a National body to represent its members, no mean feat in itself having just been through the process with MAG-NZ. There are a lot of i's to dot and t's to cross to be incorporated, so well done BRONZ Federation Inc.

[Big Dave]

Many other countries don't just have one organisation for bikers to join so that their concerns can be addressed but those organisations support each other, I don't see why we in NZ can't do the same.

Many other countries have 1 city with a bigger population than NZ.

[GOONR]

Many other countries have 1 city with a bigger population than NZ.

That is true but you can have four people in one room that have the same end goal in sight but want to get there via different routes. If they arrive at the same destination together does it matter how they get there.

Between both organisation we still represent a very very small part of the motorcycling community, I would like to think (hopefully) that by giving people a choice they will add their name to a collective voice.

[Hawk]

My comments may have been a little harsh (tough) . But becoming a federation means only one thing, members subs are spent on changing letterheads.
Does it give them more bargaining power.. no, just helps them feel better about themselves

The reason Mag was formed was the feeling of being let down by BRONZ. I dont want the two Orgnaisations to be in conflict but it does seem convenant the Bronz becomes a "federation" When Mag made it appearance, it smacks a little I was here first, see Im a federation.
I do hope the two work together and keep each other honest

[Big Dave]

That is true but you can have four people in one room that have the same end goal in sight but want to get there via different routes. If they arrive at the same destination together does it matter how they get there.

Between both organisation we still represent a very very small part of the motorcycling community, I would like think (hopefully) that by give people a choice they will add their name to a collective voice.

I've said all this before.
There is no need for two.
8 people could have stacked the BRONZ AKL agm.

[GOONR]

I've said all this before.
There is no need for two.
8 people could have stacked the BRONZ AKL agm.

I think we will continue to disagree about the need for two organisations. Collectively we now have more numbers behind us than if we had just "stacked" BRONZ ALK.
That imo is a good thing.

[Big Dave]

I think we will continue to disagree

Yeah. Entirely.

Shemozzzle huh.

[NONONO]

I've said all this before.
There is no need for two.
8 people could have stacked the BRONZ AKL agm.

And how 'Honest' or respectful would that have been?
We know how hard those guys have worked, we just differ in our fundamental approach and ideas such as MSL and MSL EG.
The idea of a "coup" was never even considered.
Often heard the retort to any suggestions that things where too quiet..'if you don't like what's happening start your own organisation"....Well..?
It's not a problem unless you make it one.

[Big Dave]

And how 'Honest' or respectful would that have been?

Strictly speaking for me; it would have been welcome. It's a democracy run by volunteers. Nobody has any power agendas.

When so few show up to the meetings, often it's what only a few people think is right or is achievable.

Bring in some entusiasm and members would be great. Even set up mag as the action group within the political organisation would work for me.

All any of it needs/ed is the votes at the meeting.

I also don't want to see what has gone before, and the efforts that others have put in, diminished.

[Mom]

Even set up mag as the action group within the political organisation would work for me.

But there are some stumbling blocks to that though BD, there are some fundamental differences between BRONZ and MAG-NZ. Just look at the thread on MAG's opinion of the MSL for starters. Can you imagine the bunfight the meeting could have become

I dont see why MAG-NZ can not be the "unofficial" ACTION arm of BRONZ anyway. As young Squiggles has already pointed out on here somewhere, Auckland BRONZ have supported AAG actions in the past, I dont see why they cant support MAG ones now. Not a lot has changed in our philosophy, we still dont set out to disrupt etc but acknowledge it may happen as a result of what we do. If we are going to do something differently we will certainly advertise the fact so BRONZ do not get tangled up in something they dont support by default.

I have said it before, and I will say it again, and I will keep saying it MAG-NZ is not the enemy. We are the Motorcycle Action Group of New Zealand Inc. by bikers, for bikers.

[avgas]

Whats the new secret handshake guys?

[Pixie]

I'm not sure if I should ask this question, but why have we now got two groups lobbying on motorcycle issues - Bronz & MAG

Did I not read somewhere that to divide and conquer is how wars are won?

BRONZ still has 240 odd members - where's the division?

I'm one of them

[Big Dave]

I don't consider anyone the enemy but policy that discriminates against riders.

I do consider the single most important factor in the fight against impost to be the number of voters represented.