Announcing BRONZ Federation Inc

[Robbo]

who are they again

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you've never left the farm yet as opposed to being totally ignorant. They are a club for over 40's motorcycle enthusiasts and riders.

[avgas]

At no point have BRONZ indicated that they represent EVERY biker, just like any other biker representation group.
What's YOUR agenda?

At no point have BRONZ claimed otherwise.
Please tell me when BRONZ stated - "We do not represent the voice of all motorcyclists in NZ"

My agenda is simple - questioning the need of such agencies.
This may come as a surprise - but as an individual I too have a voice. One that does not need a bullshit hierarchy to be heard.

Its a bit hard to have any form of Democracy when it goes through Chinese whispers.

[Luckylegs]

Did someone say Chinese democracy... Great album!!!...

[riffer]

At no point have BRONZ claimed otherwise.
Please tell me when BRONZ stated - "We do not represent the voice of all motorcyclists in NZ"

The Bikers Rights Organisation New Zealand (BRONZ) has existed for many years and supports the rights of motorcyclists. THE AIMS OF BRONZ Wellington INC are:

• To promote road safety through road user education.
• Education rather than legislation saves lives.
• To protect and promote the rights of the motorcyclist to decide his/her own future as a road user.
• Let those who ride decide.
• To promote and protect the general welfare of the motorcycling public.

You see dude, supporting and protecting the rights, and promoting and protecting welfare does not mean representing the voice. I guess it's possible that maybe at one time the collective voice of motorcycling may conflict with promoting and protecting the general welfare of the motorcycling public.

One particular example could be if the anti-helmet law became an issue again.

[davereid]

Actually, I think having two political groups, plus the massive number of people in Ulysses as a third voice will be a great advantage to us.

While Central Government may desire to have only one group to dismiss or discredit, now it has two, or possibly three.

And when it claims it will consult, it now has to consider three groups.

It would be naive to assume that all three groups would simultaneously obtain a representative at NZTA or Ministry of Transport tables, having three focussed groups is a way of ensuring that we have a better chance of being there at all !

Our challenge as bikers is not to decide which (if any) of the groups we will support. It is to ensure that our groups always get a seat at the table, a consultation from media, and that bikers are heard.

MAG does not detract from BRONZ, it adds to it.

We double our chances of a seat, a press release and a say, as long as we don't allow them to divide us.

[scumdog]

I'm not sure if I should ask this question, but why have we now got two groups lobbying on motorcycle issues - Bronz & MAG

Did I not read somewhere that to divide and conquer is how wars are won?

T'was my immediate thought too....

[chasio]

T'was my immediate thought too....

Don't wars get fought both on the front line and behind enemy lines?

I don't see that having BRONZ working more inside the system and MAG-NZ working more outside of it is a bad strategy at all.

[Conquiztador]

Following a meeting of representatives of the current BRONZ branches a New Zealand Federation has been established.
Press Release attached.

And.... + 10 char

[Pixie]

No idea. We've gone from having half a dozen volunteers and nobody really caring 12 months ago, to 2 groups with the same cause developing different agendas.

My vote and money stays firmly with BRONZ.

Like all politics I guess - because of the people, policy and their past achievements.

You might call that a blip.
I'm certainly not going to rejoin and as bronz have only sent me three emails in a year I expect they will fail to send me a resubsciption request.
Don't worry BD,I know how passionate you are about bronz (I've stopped capitalising it too),you should be old enough to join Ulysses by now.

[Pixie]

The loudest voice in motorcycling and public opinion currently is the Ulysses club.
Weight of numbers. About 4 thousand I think.

I can't hear you....

Why did the pres of Ulysses need a good boot to get him off his arse about ACC last year?

[Big Dave]

Nah - I'm not passionate. I try to be decent.

Admin - I don't know. Somebody giving Peggy a hand would probably sort it.

And I do stunts on a Ulysses.

[Pixie]

What did you say about *unts in Ulysses?

[Big Dave]

Did you just call me a *unt? :-)

[Brian d marge]

I can't hear you....

Why did the pres of Ulysses need a good boot to get him off his arse about ACC last year?

hear hear , I clearly remember him saying they wouldnt get involved as they were non political ...

Stephen

[Big Dave]

What I was on about in the other thread.
I only have this as hearsay and am happy to be corrected by anyone who was actually there.

In previous 'crisis' the various clubs and organisations were affiliate members of BRONZ. Their reps sat on the committee and BRONZ was their political voice/activism.

The clubs themselves were apolitical, yet active.

Nice setup I thought.