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it's both, inseparable, and different issues. Inseperable in that the crash rate caused the levy hike, different issue in that it shouldn't have, as set out in the woodhouse principals. You may not believe they are required or useful, but that is where I find the difference in issues arises from.Originally Posted by Katman
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
is currently sulking in the Sin Bin
I'm going to shoot that useless motherfucker Woodhouse.
All he's achieved is a country full of whinging bludgers.
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eh, did he set up the dole and dpb as well?
dammit, you got me into this debate after all, enough, we've been over it before, I'll leave the last word to you...
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
on the up
My personal question to everyone is:
In the interests of transparency, I challenge certain parties to reveal behind-the-scenes correspondence regarding how to get their hands on MSL funding.
It might make this thread a lot clearer.
And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.
- James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.
Whip it, whip it good!
The purpose of this thread is very clear, the title of it should have offered a BIG CLUE. The purpose of this thread to is to announce very clearly that MAG-NZ oppose the collection of the MSL. Nothing more, nothing less. However, as you seem hell bent on sugesting something that is not intended, and as I am not sure why you want to go down this track, and you continue to insist here is my spin.
My understanding of where things are is pretty simple. No decisions have been made as to the make up of the committee/group/quango that will administer the MSL that is collected has been made. Therefore no decisions have been made as to how to spend it. Frankly I have to trust the ones that are there, and are chosen to do the best they can for the motorcyclist of NZ. As MAG-NZ are not part of the MSL EG, I can only assume your challenge is to the groups that are, so lets get an answer to your question.In the interests of transparency, I challenge certain parties to reveal behind-the-scenes correspondence regarding how to get their hands on MSL funding.
MAG-NZ oppose the MSL - FACT.
We will however be asking the hard questions of the participants to the MSL just how they justify the way it is spent. Probably be prudent for them to really be seen to be consulting with the motorcyclists of NZ though.
* Edit* as MAG-NZ are not involved with the MSL EG I can only assuem you mean the groups that are actually part of the MSL, and frankly I agree with you. Lets hear how things are going in the discussions. Where they are, and what is being proposed. Seems fair really.
Hardcore Biker
I can assure you and everyone else that as things develop from infancy press releases etc will follow to keep everyone informed.
NEDWN VIII
I think it is brilliant that, if nothing else, MAG-NZ has 'encouraged', possibly even 'evoked' BRONZ to show thier hand to a wider audiance.......its taken a while and I can only magine how BRONZ members must be feeling.
Have it large
No absolutely not.
Not Katman, not StonY, No one. will ever convince me that the shonky research, the political maneuvering, the lies and bullshit ever had one thing to do with improving biker safety..
ALL about the softening up of ACC in readiness for sale.
Heard Les and BRONZ shout long and hard, StonY and the unions screamed.....
NOW we are willing to accept the levy increases as written in stone?
If any of us accept the existence of the Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group, we are, by default, accepting the Motorcycle Safety Levy (also known as, another $30 on top of your rego) that we opposed at Bikoi and ever since.
I swear to god, you accept this, and those that are willing to sit hand in hand with Nick and Judge, and you are fcked, forever.
Seems some have decided that they would rather not bite that hand that feeds them.
Disgusted.....
Forum whore
what does this mean?I am a member of Bronz Wellington.I joined in the aftermath of the bikeoi because at that moment they were the group that most closely represented my view.We need to be represented.So there is some hidden agenda for Bronz now?
Have it large
Suggest you work it out for yourself brother.
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personally I remember les saying (in bronz capacity) that they would be back next (this) year, the bronz website still suggest they are unhappy and will continue to fight the increases. Now we hear bronz spokespeople saying the increases are set in stone, the MSL will be spent wisely, FFS I've even seen a bronz release spouting similar misleading statistics to those of nick smith, though at least they were technically accurate.
When did this change occur, were bikers consulted? were bronz members even consulted about it? Sorry if this sounds like an attack, but I'm pissed off there won't be a bikoi 2
note, these are my views and do not represent those of MAG.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
Have it large
As a BRONZ member I'm pissed off......
There can be NO Bikoi 2 as what will we be opposing?
We can't oppose the levy hike, cos BRONZ and others are already talking to Nick about how to spend the $30 MSL portion of the levy hike.
Fair weather rider
To insinuate that the individuals who are representatives of the organisations on the MSLEG are untrustworthy is a big step.
I do have a question for MAG-NZ, is this attack by some of your key members a response to a disappointing initial membership drive?
Is this move to discredit any other organisations by misinformation and innuendo an attempt to rebrand MAG-NZ to fit the next highest demographic to increase your membership?
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sorry are you reading this thread? no discrediting misinformation here, the first post explains our position on the issue quite clearly, we have asked that other organizations show their hand as well. And considering we haven't even had our official launch or started the membership drive, we are bloody stoked with the numbers so far, thanks to all who support us!
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
Fair weather rider
I guess I must have read your previous post (below) wrong?
"and those who resent being forced to pay for it in the first place, can join mag eh cmon, you know ya want to yes, you, we need you!"
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