The Hon. Judith Collins and her trusty coppers wonder why they have so little respect

[shrub]

A more extreme version of what I experienced where a cop "was right" even when all the evidence stood against him, and another example of a cop doing a U turn and taking someone out. On that occassion it was a car and nobody died thank god.

[miloking]

The reason you are a fucken idoit is because you show a complete lack of respect for those that do a job that 99% of people are either not prepared to even consider doing or are just too chicken shit to do. Yet I bet when said big Samoan so much as looks at you sideways you wet yourself and go running to the very people you are slagging off.
Reason enough for you?

Exactly!!! And thats why LAW that requires me to "jump in" and help a cop against this "big samoan" is not just unfair but also stinks of "police state" ... not to mention that such a cop is probably being beaten because he was arrogant asshole just like cop in OPs story.... nobody beats cops just for fun...

long story short....cops are PAID to protect us agains violence but iam not paid to protect him!

[onearmedbandit]

nobody beats cops just for fun...

You'd be surprised. I know in my 34yrs on this planet I've met some people who think exactly that...

[T.W.R]

The police have a significant level of authority, and with authority comes responsibility. My little friend was aggressive and confrontational from the beginning, and if I was easily pushed around I'd call that bullying. I knew I had done nothing wrong and I knew he had nothing to go with so I didn't buckle under, but many people would have. If he'd been a random bloke in a pub I'd have said he was spoiling for a fight.

His behaviour was unacceptable from a figure of authority and I find it sad that people who behave like that are engaged to enforce our laws.

And just think if old eccentric Joe farmer had been rolling into town in his old 82 hilux flatdeck at his usual oblivious 'hick rural time stands still pace' and had collected you accidently who'd you be calling for?

Anyhow you should know by now the Nth Canterbury constabulary are officious at the best of times and it's mainly due to speeders & particularly bikers

[Monstaman]

A more extreme version of what I experienced where a cop "was right" even when all the evidence stood against him, and another example of a cop doing a U turn and taking someone out. On that occassion it was a car and nobody died thank god.

That is fatty ford, in the clink for 2 years and 4 months, Alexandra Police seems to be the biggest crime syndicate in Central Otago.

We have three other clear cases of Motorcyclists being taken out by cars (Noting blindingly in your face cars fault) then the motorcyclist being charged.

Good time to liven things up me thinks.

Shrub, referring to your first post the Police are entitled to their opinion BUT that is all, it is his opinion against your opinion and he hold no more ground that you.

They have to present fact, not opinion.

[Max Preload]

And our law enforcement professionals wonder why they have so little respect from the General Public, especially as they didn't even bother to send a bobby round when I got burgled.

How the fuck are they going to send anyone around when they're all busy staking out cafes?

[Swoop]

... another example of a cop doing a U turn and taking someone out.

I have been wondering about this for a while. The standard SV6 the plod are using comes equipped with the rear wing on the boot. The view is not all that wonderful if using the rear view mirror...
I wonder if a contributing factor to the police "u-turn collision problem" could be this?

[Max Preload]

I have been wondering about this for a while. The standard SV6 the plod are using comes equipped with the rear wing on the boot. The view is not all that wonderful if using the rear view mirror...
I wonder if a contributing factor to the police "u-turn collision problem" could be this?

That would be a health and safety in employment issue that they could eliminate... wouldn't it be good if they pulled the spoilers off to mitigate the hazard... it'd make them even easier to spot...

I think I should write in with my concerns that they're not doing all they can...

[avgas]

Fucking cops.

KB used to be a good forum, before the anti-cop pussies got forced on here to gripe about how the cops did them wrong.

Keep typing you weak stains, I am sure the cops can hear your taps from here.

[Banditbandit]

nobody beats cops just for fun...

Yeah ? Some of my former friends used to beat up cops for fun .. a regular Friday/Saturday night sport ..

[MSTRS:Me]

They have to present fact, not opinion.

Nope. In traffic matters, if it comes down to it, the cop's opinion is taken as fact. VERY hard to argue that the cop is/was wrong, despite evidence etc. Look at http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129622931
The Otago case took 2 years for the innocent teen to be vindicated. And a further 2 years for the lying sack of shit cop to be held to account.

[Monstaman]

Nope. In traffic matters, if it comes down to it, the cop's opinion is taken as fact.

I have seen several instances in court where the police evidence was not 100% and it left a shadow off doubt for error which has led to dismissal of the charges.

Yes I agree it takes a very long time through "the system" which is supposed to serve and protect, of interest there is more to come from Central Otago but in motorcycling circles, keep an eye on TV1 Close up over the next few weeks.

Alexandra and Queenstown Police are the biggest crime syndicate here, I promise you it will be interesting.

[Winston001]

Shrub, referring to your first post the Police are entitled to their opinion BUT that is all, it is his opinion against your opinion and he hold no more ground that you.

NO. In this situation a police officer is deemed to be an expert and his professional opinion will weigh heavily against a member of the public. That doesn't mean he can't be mistaken, or proved to be wrong, but as a starting point, his word against yours is far stronger and usually sufficent evidence for conviction.

Think of it this way - the cop is doing his job, he gets paid whether you get a ticket or not. By contrast you have a very strong bias for avoiding conviction and therefore might/will say whatever you think explains the alleged offence. So your opinion is questionable from the beginning.

[Berries]

of interest there is more to come from Central Otago but in motorcycling circles, keep an eye on TV1 Close up over the next few weeks.

I can't watch Close Up, the guy with the hair gives me the shits. Any clues ?

[NZIrish]

I really believe the rot set into the NZ Police when traffic merged with Police, hell even the Police had hated the traffic cops What we are seeing now is a combination of ex traffic cops and young "life-inexperienced" recruits causing all sorts of problems for the Police's one time excellent reputation, be it internal discipline matters to over zealous chases to criminal offending which one time would have been unheard of Unfortunately the Police now only have themselves to blame for not weeding out these 'Police imposters' who see wearing the uniform as a way to 'command' respect, well respect needs to be earned, and the more incidents like this I hear almost daily now makes me cringe I have a mate who works in the LTSA who is ex Police, and tells me (as we all know) ACC is a driven force behind how Police do business on the roads these days, to my mind that is a terrible indictment on our government and the Police for allowing it