Proposed changes to motorbike licences

[Grahameeboy]

Was just reading that myself.
Hmmmm. Still no harsher restrictions on learner and restricted car drivers though. I reckon that stinks. Little 17 year old Johnny can still go out on his L or R and drive daddy's SUV with minimal road skills/experience but motorcyclists get harsher restrictions.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily bitching about bikes getting tougher rules, but how come car drivers don't????

Same in UK but I think too many riders are arrogant and also think that cars are a menace and should actually learn to ride instead of moaning..at the end of the day a lot of car (legally)fault accidents could be avoided by better educated riders who could do well to think and look ahead....I think it's called defensive riding...steady I know a revelation eh?

[bogan]

Have there been 'official' BRONZ or MAG-NZ statements on these proposed changes?

Seems to me that a higher level of driver/rider training ALL ROUND is necessary. Don't understand why 6L have the speed restrictions when there is no such restriction on a car. Also, if a power/weight ration can be calculate and considered for motorcyclists, surely there is the grounds to expect the same for learners in cars.

I did my BHS on a nifty-fifty (when I was 15). At the time I had a friend with an RGV250. He was smarter than me and wouldn't let me ride it, but it could have been very messy.

nothing official from us yet, pretty busy doing bits for our launch on sunday, if you're close enough to auckland or canterbury, head along, should be good

Well we saw what happend last year, bike increases were announced, then when it happened diesel owners got stung massively as well, maybe this is another smokescreen tactic to push through similar changes elsewhere. Personally I agree with some of the changes but wish they were applied to all motorists equally!

[HenryDorsetCase]

yeh but little Johnny (in my case anyway) has already rolled bowled and arsholed a few bikes on the farm anyway, so probably doesn't have as much learning to do on either car or bike for the road. There should be some way of discriminating between those who aren't quite safe enough to drive/ride on the road, and those who are!

I sort of thought that might be the point of licensing a driver in the first place.

[bogan]

I sort of thought that might be the point of licensing a driver in the first place.

yeh we got a facepalm smiley now but still none for sarcasm

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah, I've already thought about flicking my 250cc in a few months and getting something in the 600cc range. The 250cc will be worth diddly squat if LAM comes in.

In Aus a VFR400 is learner legal, but an RVF400 is not. go figure!

[AllanB]

Power to weight - cool - learners can get 883 Harleys

Actually I know of a couple of guys on learners riding big-block HD's.


I am sure I heard the power-that-be talking about restrictions on cars that learners can use - they are probably still trying to sort it out.

Easy really (he says....) Under 1800cc, non turbo with a max power output to avoid the rocket sports hatches sneaking in.

[schrodingers cat]

Hmmmm. Still no harsher restrictions on learner and restricted car drivers though.

Silly. Cars don't kill motorcyclists - Motorcyclist cause their own accidents

Anyway, motorcycling is an elitist pursuit. Can't make it too hard for Aunty to get a licence to take the tamariki to school and then head down to the pokies. Ka Pai!

[Squiggles]

Have there been 'official' BRONZ or MAG-NZ statements on these proposed changes?

BRONZ (Auckland) Submitted on the Safer Journeys document (where this has come from), Ixion posted it somewhere on here. No statement that i'm aware of yet.


I'm interested in the competency based training and assessment (CBTA) course they intend to develop, could be a very good thing.

Q & A is here

[PrincessBandit]

.......at the end of the day a lot of car (legally)fault accidents could be avoided by better educated riders who could do well to think and look ahead....I think it's called defensive riding...steady I know a revelation eh?

where on earth do you get such outrageous ideas from!!!!!

[rustyrobot]

On the upside, a whole lot of prospective and learner riders having to go through lessons and trainings means a whole lot of opportunities for competent riders to make a crust teaching them. Now could be a good time to get certified and set up shop!

[Grahameeboy]

where on earth do you get such outrageous ideas from!!!!!

Why ACC of course

[discotex]

Wonder if anyone tried to contact the 6pm news before they went to air to give a reaction.. They managed to get AA guy on about the intersection changes but no-one from BRONZ et al about the bike changes. But they did get this handy stat out there:

According to 3news 60% of motorcycle accidents are the fault of the rider.... (they did then add "at least partially" but no-one else would have heard that).

Had to laugh (what else can you do?)... The anti-bike lobby in NZ is pissing all over us and we're just sitting there with our mouths open


(has anyone pointed out to the media that 100% of car accidents are the fault of a car driver? )

[Cayman911]

**Require all moped riders to complete a moped handling skills test along with a motorcycle learner theory test **



major thumbs up to that!!!!

[2 stroker]

I think I wont be able to ride my RG150 on my learners anymore. Can anyone else check my maths? 27kw & 128kg. Bit stink if you cant ride a 150cc bike on a learners.
I suppose if this is the case my bike will be worth nothing after the law change. Who wants to have a full license to ride a small bike.

[lvcnrs]

i believe it will only get harder.. althought being easy from my point of view.

in november last year i woke up one morning thought 'darn it' ima do something different ill get my class 6 and beat dad. wel i did and my day went as is: never ridden a two wheeler in my life (part from a push bike) got my handling cert after one lesson then sat the theory and passed...... then i was legally aloud on the road on a 250cc and i didnt even feel up to it.. but according to the law i could..


thats CRAZY .. harder laws a good thing or not?