Giving way to peds on left turn

[Murray]

What really pisses me off are these shopping streets/malls etc that now have cobblestone walkways across the road. I may be wrong but these are not signposted as crossings yet joe pedestrian all seem to think they have the right to just walk across in front of traffic and half of joe cardriver stop for them.

Surely these are not deemed zebra/pedestrian crossings.

[Devil]

The term for those is 'courtesy crossings' and no, they are not deemed to be pedestrian crossings and are not subject their laws. A lot of people do not understand this.

[Berries]

Surely a piece of law should be more clearly defined? Every time I go out I have to use it and everyone else will be the same I imagine.

The reason I want to know is because I have my full coming up. I'll probably just stick to everyone of the road for simplicity sake.

You'll be sweet. The Road Code is just a summary of the Road User Rule and everything you need is in Part 10 where it is clearly defined. There is no legislation that says you must wait for a pedestrian to clear the crossing. Obviously you don't want to move off too soon so give them a bit of room, but if you failed because you didn't let them get all the way across the road then the tester is wrong.

it is interesting how strongly people feel about some of the road rules, particularly when they are incorrect. I got red reps for my post in this thread where the very same issue was discussed, kicking off in post 158 - http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...e-POPO!/page11

No, I'm pretty sure this has been changed.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...DLM303690.html

" Pedestrian crossings
The rule removes the driver's right to pass in front of pedestrians on a pedestrian crossing with a centre line. A pedestrian crossing is considered to be 2 separate crossings only if a pedestrian refuge (traffic island) interrupts it."

Still searching...

There was a change last year you are right. There was an amendment to the Road User Rule that added a clause to say that you had to give way to pedestrians at a pedestrian crossing who were "obviously waiting to cross it." The bit you quoted is also from part 10 of the 2004 Road User Rule. This was put in to clarify the situation where a solid white centreline had been painted through the crossing as there was confusion as to whether this meant it was treated as two separate crossings or one long one, and thus when you had to give way to a pedestrian.

[simpy1]

Once I pretended to be about to take off in my car when a guy was crossing in front of me - he hadn't pressed the button (no red man or green man). It was supposed to be just as a joke to give him a fright. I just revved the engine a little like I was about to go...

He didn't get a fright, he just calmly looked at me and said in a wonderfully sarcastic voice "Give it heaps mate"

You win this time, staunch pedestrian man.

[PrincessBandit]

Don't forget too that flashing red man means they are entitled to finish crossing.

I thought it meant they were fair game....

What really pisses me off are these shopping streets/malls etc that now have cobblestone walkways across the road. I may be wrong but these are not signposted as crossings yet joe pedestrian all seem to think they have the right to just walk across in front of traffic and half of joe cardriver stop for them.

Surely these are not deemed zebra/pedestrian crossings.

I find it strange that often when I'm waiting (on the footpath) at these courtesy crossings and cars will stop! There's probably just so much concern about not doing the wrong thing i.e. hitting someone on the road, people would rather be safe than sorry.

[p.dath]

Surely a piece of law should be more clearly defined? Every time I go out I have to use it and everyone else will be the same I imagine.

The reason I want to know is because I have my full coming up. I'll probably just stick to everyone of the road for simplicity sake.

It depends on weather you want huge acts of parliament to cover every eventuality and control exactly what you can do - or if you want to cover the major things, and leave it up to the users to use common sense, and the courts to set precedents for those that don't.

Personally, I prefer the "less rules" approach, and favour allowing the public to exercise some discretion for the situation presented to themselves and to choose the best option.

[St_Gabriel]

What really pisses me off are these shopping streets/malls etc that now have cobblestone walkways across the road. I may be wrong but these are not signposted as crossings yet joe pedestrian all seem to think they have the right to just walk across in front of traffic and half of joe cardriver stop for them.

Surely these are not deemed zebra/pedestrian crossings.

I bloody love that crossing thing between Downtown plaza and Centreplace in Ward St. Was working down there for a few weeks and would always just idle across and wait for all the indignant remarks from the pedestrians. Even had one actually walk into the side of the van. Suprisingly, there was never too many phonecalls to the boss (damn signwritten vans with prominent phone numbers).

I know I would have been in deep shit if I ever actually ran anyone over no matter how much they deserved it

[sunhuntin]

if they are crossing towards me and im in the front, i go as most locals here dawdle and if i waited, chances are i would miss the green. if they are crossing away from me, then i wait until they are over the 'centre line' of the opposite side before going.

as for courtesy crossings, they dont stop for you in palmy. i always do unless i have a car too close for comfort. i did that in fielding once and got the hugest grin and wave from a little boy and his granny. absolutely made my day.
we used to have those types of crossings here in the main street [speed bumps with cobblestone "stripes"] eventually, enough of a stink was raised by pedestrians that crossing "posts" were stuck up everywhere. good really, cos it removes the question.