Northern toll road? No rego? Fines?

[slowlegs]

... then sell your bike and gear and take the bus. Instead of stating that you can't afford to pay your rego, have you stopped to think that if the taxpayers and fellow road users decided that ACC wouldn't be paying you if you were injured you would be up 5h1t creek? Pay up or get the *^$@ off the roads.

So your annual rego includes funds for things like ACC in case you have an accident, the wear and tear of a public shared resource - the road, the maintenance of the register so they know who is responsible for a vehicle, etc.

So if you expect to be able to receive medical treatment for an accident on your bike, assistance if your vehicle is suspected of being stolen, and the use of a shared road with everyone else then you should be paying your rego.

Like someone else has said, if you can't afford to pay the rego, weather you agree with the fee or not, you can't afford to operate that vehicle on the public shared road.
Remember, the rego is a way we all contribute towards a shared resource - not something that only you use personally.

Otherwise your bludging off everyone else who has paid to provide the resources that you are taking.

[davereid]

... then sell your bike and gear and take the bus. Instead of stating that you can't afford to pay your rego, have you stopped to think that if the taxpayers and fellow road users decided that ACC wouldn't be paying you if you were injured you would be up 5h1t creek? Pay up or get the *^$@ off the roads.

I can afford it.

But I'm not going to pay for it until Nanny either comes up with a way of reliably catching me, or she makes the fee fair.

[Buddy L]

My ute didn't have a rego (just expired) and i went through the Toll etc, didn't think of it untill i got a new rego for it. and then a week after getting the rego i had a bill in the mail for the toll road.

[FJRider]

My ute didn't have a rego (just expired) and i went through the Toll etc, didn't think of it untill i got a new rego for it. and then a week after getting the rego i had a bill in the mail for the toll road.

so the "bill" was for the toll ... not the fine for expired rego ...

[Max Preload]

... then sell your bike and gear and take the bus. Instead of stating that you can't afford to pay your rego, have you stopped to think that if the taxpayers and fellow road users decided that ACC wouldn't be paying you if you were injured you would be up 5h1t creek? Pay up or get the *^$@ off the roads.

It's not about being able to afford it. It's about not just being turned into Nick's bitch. Unlike you.

[Pixie]

Yup! If you can't afford the cost of motoring, you can't afford to motor. You can afford a helmet, gloves, boots etc. and you can afford tyres and servicing and you can afford to maintain it up to WoF standard. You may not like the registration cost but it is part and parcel of motoring and if you thought it was important enough you would pay it. In short, you find the money to pay what you think is necessary and important. You'll have to pay the fines anyway, which is cheaper?

So your annual rego includes funds for things like ACC in case you have an accident,

Well well well, in one year we have gone from riding on Parliament to defending ACC bullshit and recommending everybody pays up.

The Politicians must be elated - I imagine they are putting in their orders for extra supplies of personal lube

[miloking]

... then sell your bike and gear and take the bus. Instead of stating that you can't afford to pay your rego, have you stopped to think that if the taxpayers and fellow road users decided that ACC wouldn't be paying you if you were injured you would be up 5h1t creek? Pay up or get the *^$@ off the roads.

I can afford the rego more than enough its about 2 days of salary for me but its the principal of it...i wont be part of this mass extortion!

But i do feel sorry for the people that actualy cannot afford it but still have to ride their probably neglected bike to work every day to earn money to pay bills, feed kids and pay taxes so motherfuckers like Nick smith can just waste it on their bullshit....

[Edbear]

I can afford it.

But I'm not going to pay for it until Nanny either comes up with a way of reliably catching me, or she makes the fee fair.

Well well well, in one year we have gone from riding on Parliament to defending ACC bullshit and recommending everybody pays up.

The Politicians must be elated - I imagine they are putting in their orders for extra supplies of personal lube

I'm not commenting on the fairness or otherwise of the ACC levy, but on the costs associated with motoring. Civil disobedience and anarchy has a very poor record of making positive change in society and breaking the law only means adverse consequences for the law-breaker. The hullaballoo over the increase in the ACC levy resulted in a change, even if not what the majority of bikers wanted. Now we can either accept the costs or continue to lobby for what we believe may be a fairer charge.

ACC is facing huge demand on resources and if you stop and think about the costs of an accident, and multiply that by the number of accidents you may get some idea.

I must also point out that recent months have done the biking community no favours at all in its cries for "fairer" levies. Far too many idiots are killing themselves and being caught doing ridiculous speeds and riding unwarranted/unregistered bikes.

The "problem" of what to do with the sheer number of idiot bikers is rather going to have the effect of a harder clamp down, not of seeing the authorities take us seriously!

[p.dath]

Well well well, in one year we have gone from riding on Parliament to defending ACC bullshit and recommending everybody pays up.

The Politicians must be elated - I imagine they are putting in their orders for extra supplies of personal lube

You might not like the rules, but we have a shared resource that everyone needs to contribute to for it to work. If enough people refuse to contribute it would eventually fail, and I hope you can see that a complete failure of ACC would be a terrible thing for New Zealand.

[davereid]

Civil disobedience and anarchy has a very poor record of making positive change in society and breaking the law only means adverse consequences for the law-breaker.

I am most certainly breaking the law.

And I will keep on doing so until it is uneconomic.

Thats a long way into the future, several years, so when I am forced to pay, I will have thousands of dollars of reserves to pay from.

In the mean time, I am doing lots of other things to make ACC fairer.

I am in several political action groups.

I am standing for the Transport Committee. My MP and the minister of transport know me very very well.

I see no conflict with my refusal to pay an unfair levy.

I see those who say " just pay it". Thats up to you, but these things can be changed.

Instead of rolling over, stand up. Fill your mps' mailbox with your views, join a looby group, do something.

Be proud, stand up and don't let little grey men take motorcycles from your grandchildren.

[Edbear]

I am most certainly breaking the law.

And I will keep on doing so until it is uneconomic. T

Thats a long way into the future, several years, so when I am forced to pay, I will have thousands of dollars of reserves to pay from.

In the mean time, I am doing lots of other things to make ACC fairer.

I am in several political action groups.

I am standing for the Transport Committee. My MP and the minister of transport know me very very well.

I see no conflict with my refusal to pay an unfair levy.

I see those who say " just pay it". Thats up to you, but these things can be changed.

Instead of rolling over, stand up. Fill your mps' mailbox with your views, join a looby group, do something.

Be proud, stand up and don't let little grey men take motorcycles from your grandchildren.

That's your choice and you're obviously prepared to take the consequences. I would though, encourage you to be even-handed and take it to the muppets who are spoiling your arguments by riding stupidly and killing and maiming themselves to the point where you are likely to be rebuffed by TPTB based on the news in recent months. How many bikers have died or been seriously injured lately, NOT due to inattentive drivers? How many have hit the headlines by excesive speed or dangerous/inconsiderate riding? Far too many if we want to have any hope of convincing ACC we deserve lower fees!

[davereid]

Of course. Many motorcyclists are fools.

As are cyclists, pedestrians (per km way more "risky" than us), base jumpers, jet boaters... its endless.

If YOU accept a levy system designed to ensure that motorcycling ends, then pay your levy, go drink an orange juice with Pdath, and when you are an old man tell the grandkids how much fun a bike was.

Or, get stuck in. Tell them you will pay the same as a car. Thats it.

Yes, lots of bikers hurt themselves, drive like wankers, and get hurt.

On the other hand, they seldom wipe out innocent grandmothers enjoying a picnic after a day in the garden.

As far as I am concerned this is not a debate.

You are happy with the system and want me to comply.

Im not happy, and I wont comply until there is no choice.

And even then, the politicians will know me with fondness, and will have battled me at every step.

[BMWST?]

The popo have number plate cameras, they have been using them for quite a while now.In the small town i live in, they have been using them to iron out any bugs, so be warned, it wont be long till they roll them out mainstream.

this.....i think they have been more stringent of late with non std rego plates,leading up to the recognition cameras

[scracha]

... then sell your bike and gear and take the bus. Instead of stating that you can't afford to pay your rego, have you stopped to think that if the taxpayers and fellow road users decided that ACC wouldn't be paying you if you were injured you would be up 5h1t creek? Pay up or get the *^$@ off the roads.

Have you stopped to think that the whole point of our argument is that we believe the whole "taxpayers" and "fellow road users" subsidising us when rego's were sub $300 is a crock of shit.

I pay ACC on my earnings as I'm self employed.
I pay ACC on my work vehicle.
I pay ACC on my private vehicle (a fuckload as it's a diesel)
I pay out for private accident and sickness cover as I'm self employed and don't believe for a second ACC will keep a roof over my head if I can't work.
I didn't mind paying a few hundred bucks for both my road-bikes but over a $1000 is just bullshit.

I haven't claimed a cent in ACC. Nobody would be subsidising me if I fell of my bike. The 13 year old helmetless lad on his dirtbike across the road or the pavement riding postie in shorts and t-shirt I saw today may be a different story.

I'm sure Daverid and many other riders out there are in similar or worse situations.

Take the bus...I should fuckin coco. Not that there is a bus.

[Ocean1]

I'm not commenting on the fairness or otherwise of the ACC levy, but on the costs associated with motoring.

Exactly how much damage does a bike do to our roads, dude?

Civil disobedience and anarchy has a very poor record of making positive change in society and breaking the law only means adverse consequences for the law-breaker.

Worked bloody well in the UK re poll tax. When the cost of compliance is greater than the alternatives mate you’re on a hiding to nothing, fuck’em they can whistle for it.

I'm sure Daverid and many other riders out there are in similar or worse situations.

The joys of small business eh? I shudder to think what they claw out of me in total every year, and the chances of any sort of return are negligible.