First official photo of Triumph Tiger 800 XC

**Ocean1** · 28th February 2011, 18:33

Originally Posted by javahead

For a 200+kg bike....

**Devil** · 1st March 2011, 14:42

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Wot?

**Ocean1** · 1st March 2011, 16:02

Originally Posted by Devil

Wot?

I've got this fetish about chucking bikes around that weigh twice what I do, especially nice shiny new ones. I've got enough on me plate picking myself up.

I can't believe that with design and materials we have now that bikes are heavier than they used to be. I know it's got to do road duty too, but shit we're talking 2 dirt bikes in mass. 3 trials bikes.

**george formby** · 1st March 2011, 16:26

Originally Posted by Ocean1

I've got this fetish about chucking bikes around that weigh twice what I do, especially nice shiny new ones. I've got enough on me plate picking myself up.

I can't believe that with design and materials we have now that bikes are heavier than they used to be. I know it's got to do road duty too, but shit we're talking 2 dirt bikes in mass. 3 trials bikes.

Ditto. Sprot bikes are coming down in weight & going up in power, when you fall off they are easy to pick up, in pieces. Adventure bikes have gone from Mini Moke to Hummer in 30 years & you have to pick them up all at once, they don't disintegrate when you fall off.

A manufacturer releasing a sub 200kg bike fully wet which is comfortable, capable, long legged & priced right will get my attention.
I had hoped Triumph were heading in this direction, at least they have an extra cylinder & are not the lardiest out their so good start.

**Devil** · 1st March 2011, 16:44

Originally Posted by george formby

Ditto. Sprot bikes are coming down in weight & going up in power, when you fall off they are easy to pick up, in pieces. Adventure bikes have gone from Mini Moke to Hummer in 30 years & you have to pick them up all at once, they don't disintegrate when you fall off.

Heh, this is the most applicable response to the weight.
Unfortunately that's life, if you want it to be able to cart luggage, take abuse without snapping in half and be easy to repair (steel subframes) then there's a weight penalty.

**Devil** · 1st March 2011, 16:47

I'm hanging out for a KTM 690 Adventure, myself. Although i'm going to have a darn hard time talking myself into selling my GSA as I love it so much, despite being a quarter ton tank.

**NordieBoy** · 1st March 2011, 18:50

Originally Posted by Devil

despite being a quarter ton tank.

How much does the rest of the bike weigh?

**cold comfort** · 1st March 2011, 19:06

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Wet weights. Super Ten 261 kg, BMW 1200 gsa 256 , KTM 990 229, Triumph XC 214. Looks like a lightweight in comparison.

**Waihou Thumper** · 1st March 2011, 19:10

Only when it lays horizontal is weight an issue right?
Just don't drop it, or more importantly, don't drop it alone...

**Ocean1** · 1st March 2011, 19:10

Originally Posted by Devil

Heh, this is the most applicable response to the weight.
Unfortunately that's life, if you want it to be able to cart luggage, take abuse without snapping in half and be easy to repair (steel subframes) then there's a weight penalty.

You can't seriously be suggesting that a trials bike is less abuse resistant than yer generic ADV machine. Can you?

Can't remember what it's called but there's a rule that represents the opposite of the diminishing returns rule. If you trim 1Kg from an engine then the frame can be less strong, meaning you can trim a Kg from that, which means.... Gedit?

Trouble is the marketing dude's know full well that what sells is widgets. The more widgets a bike has the better it sells. Widgets don't weigh much but they've proliferated over the years to the point their combined mass is aproaching critical mass.

Any heavier and the whole motorcycle concept will crash through the resultant event horizon and dissapear up it's own arsehole.

Collin Chapman: "Get that fucking spring washer off there, nothing this car can survive 20 laps without gets a free ride."

**Devil** · 1st March 2011, 19:24

Originally Posted by Ocean1

You can't seriously be suggesting that a trials bike is less abuse resistant than yer generic ADV machine. Can you?

Can't remember what it's called but there's a rule that represents the opposite of the diminishing returns rule. If you trim 1Kg from an engine then the frame can be less strong, meaning you can trim a Kg from that, which means.... Gedit?

Of course, but you're thinking in the wrong direction. The engine needs to be > < this big, so the frame needs to be x strong. It needs a decent tank on it, so frame needs to be x + a bit more. Now it needs a decent seat and gadgets, so frame becomes x + x + x again. Oh it needs to cart stuff around. Up goes the weight again. Want to be able to have it repaired easily? Gotta be steel framed rather than alloy, up goes the weight again.

**Devil** · 1st March 2011, 19:25

Originally Posted by cold comfort

Wet weights. Super Ten 261 kg, BMW 1200 gsa 256 , KTM 990 229, Triumph XC 214. Looks like a lightweight in comparison.

When you compare it to the beefiest of the beefy sure, but make the more appropriate comparison (BMW F800GS) and you'll see the beemer is under 210kg...

I hear rumours about KTM bringing out something around the 800cc mark to compete in 2012.