Random checks on the Coro loop over summer

[scumdog]

I was wondering why you only ride the Harley these days Scummy

Actially have been riding the hair-dryer bike quite a bit lately...totally different - but still fun

[CHR1S]

whinge is the wrong word there.

Would you find it acceptable if the targeting was based on race, religion or gender? If not, why not?

Haha yeah fair call, but after I've read countless "cop pri*k gave me a fine because I broke the law" threads on here whinge is the first word that springs to mind.

If a certain race/religion/gender represented a higher risk I personally think it'd be a great idea to "target" (for lack of a better word) them to help mitigate as many factors as possible to avoid the carnage we see everyday. But try convincing the Paul Henry haters the logic in that...funny how my insurance company used to do a great job "targeting" me when I was an under 25 male with a V8.

As to your truck example Let me give you an example: trusts and trustees: as a "professional" trustee, I am held to a higher standard when looking after your money than your Aunty Enid would be, if she and I were the trustees of your trust. I dont have a problem with it: I hold myself out as being competent in the area, I did exams and shit, and Ive been doing it for a while now, relatively successfully. Whereas Aunty might just be a placeholder, or fronted the money, or be known in all the boroughs as being frugal. If we invested all your money in some dodgy scheme (say finance company debentures, about 18 months ago) then conceivably I would be sued, but she would not, based on the fact that I should have known better: i.e. I am held to a higher standard than her. (Ignoring the fact I have insurance as well) Luckily we invested your money on fixed interest as to half, and equities in NZ and overseas as to half, and your money is doing OK at present).

Apply that to your truck driver example: they are professionals, (and have a well funded and very vocal lobby group which tells us so, endlessly) and thus need to be held to a higher standard than recreational, or other road users (same argument goes for the po po actually): so we have to meet a MINIMUM standard, they have to meet a higher standard. And those higher standards (voluntarily assumed, but codified and enforceable) might involve compliance checking, randomly: I dont have a problem with that, frankly. But thats very different from a law abiding ordinary citizen going about their lawful business.

Good job sounds like you covered your arse.

I have an HT. I am far from a professional at driving trucks. So do a fair majority of farmers out there and we are still expected to stop.

Certainly not saying bike's should be stopped on every street corner at random. Unfortunately if 35% of us chose on this day to not follow the rules I'm guessing right or wrong we can expect more of this in the future.

[aff-man]

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Part of me (the enraged biker part!) agrees with ya mate but another part of me thinks about the continued carnage that happens on the Coro loop and is inclined to say "hey can ya blame them?"... if this puts people off riding the loop then hopefully a few more of us will survive the summer.
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I disagree unfortunately. I have ridden the loop a few times over the years and bad experiences have put me off riding it..... for a while at least untill I remember why I went and rode it in the first place. Sure the "coro - gp " does attract its share of muppets but also attracts a far larger share of non-muppets who are just there to ride some of the best roads for motorcyles thats not to far from home. And police should not be making people feel like they shouldnt enjoy a part of new zealand just because of the vehicle they are on....

This is discrimination at it's most basic level. Out of a group of varying vehicles in a certain location we will be singling out one group and trying to ticket them.... yes I know they said bullshit about safety but I am firmly of the opinion that thier method of "teaching" us this safety involves ticketing of some variety...

They don't go around arresting people because they wear beige so why pull me over and waste my time and lecture me because I ride a motorcyle??

Now if they were looking at all vehicles, at say a check point, and not particularly singling one type out I have no problem with that as they are likely to find as many "non-compliant" trailers and cars etc etc as motorcycles.

[DMNTD:Me]

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So, how 'bout that cuddle you owe me?

[Big Dave]

Got this Poll running on KIWIRIDER:

[scumdog]

I voted 'undecided' as unlike a lot of others on KB I wasn't actually there..

[Big Dave]

OK, just the fax Joe Friday. on the site the preamble goes like this:

Recent Police Checkpoints on the Coromandel targeting motorcycles have been both praised and condemned online.
What's your call? Worthwhile initiative or big brother closing in?

Plus I linked the press releases:
http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.co...oromandel.html

Or are you not allowed an opinion huh, huh, :-P

[Usarka]

I voted 'undecided' as unlike a lot of others on KB I wasn't actually there..

Since when has that stopped a good ticket

[Old Steve]

I do have two targets while on my Restricted.

One is to do the Tauranga/Coro Loop/Tauranga ride. The other is to do 1000 km in a day (well, within the 5.00 am to 10.00 pm limit of my license).

And I wouldn't mind if I was pulled over by the Police and they checked both my bike and my license. I would be pissed at the hoons on two wheels, both living and departed, who have brought about the need for the Police to take this action.

[trailblazer]

I do have two targets while on my Restricted.

One is to do the Tauranga/Coro Loop/Tauranga ride. The other is to do 1000 km in a day (well, within the 5.00 am to 10.00 pm limit of my license).

And I wouldn't mind if I was pulled over by the Police and they checked both my bike and my license. I would be pissed at the hoons on two wheels, both living and departed, who have brought about the need for the Police to take this action.

feel free to join us on the coro loop this weekend if we do it. It won't be anything hard just a casual ride.

[scracha]

So to what extent do I have to co-operate if stopped by our jack booted friends for no reason other than I dare ride the Coro loop?

I know they've got 15 minutes to waste my time.
I know I must do the following:-

• Hand over my license
• Let them check my rego/wof.
• Give them my name, address & DOB.
• Give them vehicle ownership info.
• Hand over my keys if requested.

Can they move my bike if it's not in a hazardous location?
Can they start my bike engine?
Can they inspect parts of the bike not visible (i.e. remove panels etc)?
If requested to I have to allow them to photograph me?

Do I have to assist them with any of the above?
Can I photograph/video the officers involved?
Wonder what would happen if they damaged the bike?

Answers on a postcard please or does nobody on this forum actually know their legal rights?

[avgas]

implies that a traffic cop would know a turbo if it fell off and hit him in the Gucci loafer.

Seeing as I have been pulled over on a RG that was "Smoking too much".......I believe there are a few out there that are the bottom half of the bell curve.....

[Big Dave]

Legal rights - I'm right all the time.

[emaN]

Was waiting for this t'happen.

Inevitable that all the online cries of "well I ain't gonna register my bike now that rego's gone up!" would receive attention & force them into being creative.

Oh well, plenty of other places to go for a scoot.