Wearing the right gear

[ynot slow]

Thats correct, as long as there are vehicles and humans using them there will be accidents, best get dressed for them eh or not, your choice

Add in animals major cause outside rider error maybe biggest cause.

And spare a thought for those first on the scene of an accident,at least if wearing protective gear the scene will be less traumatic,the fact you have shorts and t shirt will make injuries worse than leather wearing rider,won't apply at 160km crash for sure.

I saw the effects of a low speed crash on a farm race,guy was picking out shingle from his knee for weeks,is this relevant a work crash to road,probably not,but tarseal is harder than gravel,and at 50km I wouldn't like to crash without my gear.

I crashed 20 years ago on my ER185,90 degree bend by my homedoing 30km and slippery road due to rain,still have scar on hand,and knee,was going to dairy 300mts away,had boots on,but sweatshirt and jeans dont stop much.

[MSTRS:Me]

On a bike, there are only two lines of defence against crash and injury.
First line is within what your helmet contains. That's the defence against crashing.
Second line is what we put on our bodies. That's the defence in mitigation of severity of injury.
You can argue all you like about either, or which one is more important. Only a knobend ignores both.

[tigertim20]

I've never claimed to be a proponent of ATGATT.

I'm a proponent of Sort Your Shit Out And Stop Having Accidents.

oh fuck off man.
the thread wasnt about 'how to prevent accidents', it was about how gear CAN help when one does occur.
are you so fucking blind and deaf to all but the sound of your own trumpet that you are incapable of reading?
I think youll find that 90% of people on here would agree that a new licencing system is required in this country that places more focus on looking and thinking and being aware.

The only reason you get so many people arguing with you is because you go blindly charging into threads spouting your shit, without bothering to read the damn thing.
try reading first, youll find you have bugger all reason to ever say anything.
I think we'd all like that

[beyond]

Anyone who thinks that riding a motorbike is not going to lead to an accident at some stage in their motorcyling career is an ostrich with their head in the sand.

I know..... if you think something will happen it more than likely will and there is truth in that but the old saying that it's not if, it's when, does apply in this game. Most people do not want to hear this though

No one knows when that will be, no one wants that to be but you are very unlikely to get through your life riding a motorbike without an accident. If you do you'll also be a Jackpot Lotto winner too.

No matter how well prepared you are, how well you can ride, how good a positive mental attitude you have, someone, somewhere is going to have their best shot at you even if you are doing everything by the book.

It might be the dick changing a CD coming around a blind corner who decides your side of the road is better than theirs, the idiot who overtakes on a short straight but still happens to be on your side of the road as he enters the corner. Sure, YOU can stop in half the clear distance of roadway ahead but this tosser is coming at you at way more than the speed limit. What about the boy racer who enters a corner to quickly and loses it sliding straight into your path wihtout warning, the truck who loses part of their load as you are about to overtake safely, the Pukeko in the drain you never saw who just happens to fly straight up across the road and nearly takes your head off?

I'm sorry, but there is bugga all you can do when the chips are down except wear the best gear you can afford to ensure the mess will be as minimal as possible or at least you have a tight enough body bag to hold all the bits together to make some poor buggas job a little easier.

[Berries]

Anyone who thinks that riding a motorbike is not going to lead to an accident at some stage in their motorcyling career is an ostrich with their head in the sand.

Bollocks. Who would take up riding a bike if it was guaranteed that you would fall off and hurt yourself ? If it was as bad as you make out here they would have banned motorbikes years ago.

[R-Soul]

Lets face it: ATGATT does not prevent or reduce accidents. Responsible riding does.

And at the end of the day, while jackets, pants and boots are expensive, high tech, abrasion resistant material, they are just that : MATERIAL.

Not impact absorbers, not protective cages, not airbags (although Dainese has some interesting shit coming out WITH airbags). They stop you getting abraded. They wont help in a high speed impact.

[slofox]

I'd still rather fall off with gear than without...

[beyond]

Bollocks. Who would take up riding a bike if it was guaranteed that you would fall off and hurt yourself ? If it was as bad as you make out here they would have banned motorbikes years ago.

I take it you've not had an accident "yet".

They haven't banned horse riding either and their stats are worse than motorcylists.

I say again; it's not if but when and if you do make it through your life without an accident of some sort, count yourself blessed or bloody lucky. That is the reality of it.

No one who has ever had an accident expected it or assumed it would happen to them because if they did, as you point out they probably would never have got on one in the first place.

Therefore ATGATT

[Katman]

I say again; it's not if but when

Judging by the way you ride I'm not surprised you take that viewpoint.

[axdout]

I wear a helmet coz you get a $150 dollar fine when you dont!

[hellokitty]

I'd still rather fall off with gear than without...

Hell yes! I have nursed people who have had skin grafts - horrible!!! and so painful!

(and of course all the broken bones etc)

[James Deuce]

Lets face it: ATGATT does not prevent or reduce accidents. Responsible riding does.

Everybody can STHU now. There's no more to be said.

[beyond]

They wont help in a high speed impact.

Hence my comment on good tight leathers making a decent body bag. Makes the clean up a lot easier.

[Berries]

I take it you've not had an accident "yet".

They haven't banned horse riding either and their stats are worse than motorcylists.

I say again; it's not if but when and if you do make it through your life without an accident of some sort, count yourself blessed or bloody lucky. That is the reality of it.

Yes, I have not had an accident "yet" and neither have a lot of people I know. I do think it is possible to ride for years without crashing and don't believe that it is, or should be, part of the whole bike riding experience.

As for horse riding, the only way to ban it would be to shoot every horse in NZ, and I can't see that happening. Then it'll be netball, have you seen their stats ?

[Katman]

Taking the attitude that it is preordained that you will have a motorcycle accident is what leads to an unhealthy acceptance of our accident and injury stats.

If more people took the attitude that they will not have an accident there would be more people taking positive steps to ensure they don't.