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**Oscar** · 10th June 2005, 15:52

Originally Posted by Wolf

Cymru am byth!

...ac iechyd da, Biff

Good on the UN and the EU - now all they have to do is recognise the sovereignty of Scotland and Kernow...

(Waiting for bite from Oscar)

No bite from me.
If the phelgm garglers wanna piss off and exist in the real world, no problem.
Their standard of living would drop to Somali standards, though...not much call for local Welsh skills these days - digging coal and the ability to project three litres of spittle per minute whilst singing just don't pay that much in modern Europe...

**Ixion** · 10th June 2005, 15:56

Originally Posted by Biff

Aha - those darned bloody Ingles again claiming that because they decided that they no longer recognised an area land as being a seperate nation, then it must indeed cease to exist.

Thankfully the United Nations, the modern British government (albeit under the control of English law and by royal decree referred to as a 'principality' ) and the European Union recognise Wales as a seperate country, part of the 'greater' Britain and the United Kingdom.

CYMRU AM BYTH

No , it was because Ed I chopped of llewellyn's head (or equivalent , inhumed him with expreme prejudice anyway)

I do not think Wales has actually ceased to exist. The mapmaker people would have noticed.

Wales as a seperate country

Political window dressing I am afraid, a PR sop to the separatist movement, UNLESS they have repealed the Act of Union of 1536, which states, inter alia :

Wales ... is and ever hath bene incorporated, annexed, united and subiecte to and under the imperialle Crown of the Realme as a verry membre ... of the same.

And what then would you do with Pembrokeshire ? (Which was not part of Wales)

My sympathies however, my own longsires had their own problems with the damn Tudors.

I also forgot to mention the Town of Berwick (on Tweed). Double weird rations on that one.

**Oscar** · 10th June 2005, 15:59

Originally Posted by Ixion

No , it was because Ed I chopped of llewellyn's head (or equivalent , inhumed him with expreme prejudice anyway)

I do not think Wales has actually ceased to exist. The mapmaker people would have noticed.

Political window dressing I am afraid, a PR sop to the separatist movement, UNLESS they have repealed the Act of Union of 1536, which states, inter alia :

And what then would you do with Pembrokeshire ? (Which was not part of Wales)

My sympathies however, my own longsires had their own problems with the damn Tudors.

I also forgot to mention the Town of Berwick (on Tweed). Double weird rations on that one.

...and Swansea would have to play in the Welsh league...

**Ixion** · 10th June 2005, 16:03

Originally Posted by Wolf

Cymru am byth!

...ac iechyd da, Biff

Good on the UN and the EU - now all they have to do is recognise the sovereignty of Scotland and Kernow...

(Waiting for bite from Oscar)

Actually, TECHNICALLY Cornwall would have a better case for recognition as a separate constitutional entity than Wales, because there was never a formal Act of Incorporation or Union.

The Normans just took it at the sword's point, and all claims by England rest simply on annexation.

And , indeed, it could be argued that Cornwall was actually annexed into the Duchy of Normandy, not the Kingdom of England, and therefore is governed by Her Majesty in right of her title as Duke of Normandy, not as Queen of England. Same as the channel islands.

The sovereignty of Scotland has never been disputed. It is the UNITED Kingdom. The Crown of Scotland is still extant. (Personally of course, as a Jacobite, I would not recognise the Act of Union of 1707 anyway)

**Biff** · 10th June 2005, 16:08

Originally Posted by Oscar

Um, read it again - I said that Nth Irleand was part of the UK.

I have - several times.

The statement I disagree with, and as I found out to be false last year is:

The name "Britain" or "British" is used to refer to that Nation (that nation being mainland Britain and northern Ireland) and it's inhabitants.

What I'm saying is that while 95% of people would agree with you, technicaly Northern Ireland is not, as you claim, part of Britain. Although I agree that they are British. But they are part of the United Kingdom. I know it sounds weird and I was fortunate (?) enough to have a very well known British politician's (two jags?) senior legal advisor explain it to me.

I'm just stating what the actual legal and political definition is.

Off topic - and just edited - Why are you such a prat when it comes to talking about Wales?

I could argue that Wales has a GDP and population size similar to that of NZ, and yet I see no similarity with 'Somalia' here. And Wales is part of Europe so would benefit from all the free trade benefits of being there, unlike NZ.

But I won't . Shit I just did.

Get over it you grumpy xenophobic git.

**TwoSeven** · 10th June 2005, 16:21

I still think NZ will lose. Go the british lions and ireland

**Biff** · 10th June 2005, 16:29

Originally Posted by Ixion

Actually, TECHNICALLY Cornwall would have a better case for recognition as a separate constitutional entity than Wales,

Dude - your history is soooooooo last century. There is only one constitution in Europe, that's the European constitution.

Viva Europe am Byth

**Ixion** · 10th June 2005, 16:33

Originally Posted by Biff

Dude - your history is soooooooo last century. There is only one constitution in Europe, that's the European constitution.

Viva Europe am Byth

Who then is King of Europe. Have they reenthroned the Holy Roman Emperor ?

**Biff** · 10th June 2005, 16:37

Originally Posted by Ixion

Who then is King of Europe.

King - what on earth is one of them? They went out with square wheels mate. It's all about commitites, free lunches, dodgy expense claims and Qangos these days.

But if they need one, I'm free (well not free, free - I do charge by the hour).

**Oscar** · 10th June 2005, 17:53

Originally Posted by Biff

I have - several times.

The statement I disagree with, and as I found out to be false last year is:

The name "Britain" or "British" is used to refer to that Nation (that nation being mainland Britain and northern Ireland) and it's inhabitants.

What I'm saying is that while 95% of people would agree with you, technicaly Northern Ireland is not, as you claim, part of Britain. Although I agree that they are British. But they are part of the United Kingdom. I know it sounds weird and I was fortunate (?) enough to have a very well known British politician's (two jags?) senior legal advisor explain it to me.

I'm just stating what the actual legal and political definition is.

Off topic - and just edited - Why are you such a prat when it comes to talking about Wales?

I could argue that Wales has a GDP and population size similar to that of NZ, and yet I see no similarity with 'Somalia' here. And Wales is part of Europe so would benefit from all the free trade benefits of being there, unlike NZ.

But I won't . Shit I just did.

Get over it you grumpy xenophobic git.

Ahh we're down to semantics.
I said "is used to refer". The fact is that Nth Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom, but most people refer to all UK residents as "British".

As for being a prat - I dunno - it's gift I suppose.
Seriously, I consider myself British first and English next - I have a Scottish name and ancestory, and Irish Great-Grandfather and was born in the North of Angleterre.

**Hitcher** · 10th June 2005, 17:59

Originally Posted by Biff

Dude - your history is soooooooo last century. There is only one constitution in Europe, that's the European constitution.

Apart from in those member states who have either yet to, or refuse, to ratify...

**James Deuce** · 10th June 2005, 18:50

Originally Posted by TwoSeven

I still think NZ will lose. Go the british lions and ireland

Ahhh get a real bike

**boomer** · 10th June 2005, 20:33

There seems to be more poms and other northern hemispheric types here than kiwi's...

**TwoSeven** · 10th June 2005, 21:22

The following quote is off the british government website.

"The full title of this country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Great Britain (or just Britain) does not include Northern Ireland. The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are not part of the UK"