Thursday misadventure. How to win a week in hospital.

[miloking]

How would you know they remember that much more?

Do you do a follow up call to make sure they haven't forgotten?

Logic dictates that they will remember it more...as they walk towards their car looking at smashed tail light,dented fender, missing mirror etc...

[Iggy]

My work here is done.

Unfuckingbelievable...................

[Owl]

Logic dictates that they will remember it more...as they walk towards their car looking at smashed tail light,dented fender, missing mirror etc...

Or they take out their aggression on the next motorcyclist they see? Grow up ya fuckwit!


Terbang

Sorry to read about you and your daughter! Pleased it wasn't more serious and wish you both a speedy recovery.

[dipshit]

two motorcycles that had followed her for the past 2K's. She achieved her goal, made the entrance but by then had a large imprint of my motorcycle on her front guard.

I don't like following right behind erratic drivers. Someone constantly changing their speed and appear to be looking up driveways, screams someone looking for an address. People in such situations are very focused on finding an address and could suddenly stop or turn when they find the place they are looking for or have realised they had gone past it. It's human nature.

SUV drivers in particular would raise the biggest danger flag as they seem to be the re-incarnation of "Volvo drivers" that feel safe inside their own vehicles and subsequently drive with less regard to the other road users around them. (even if they have seen you and know you are there)

Such situations I like to either get in front and put them well behind me at the earliest situation possible. Like if a stretch of road presents itself with no driveways or roads coming off it and the driver is increasing their speed at the time. (Usually drivers will slow a bit before making a sudden turn) If they are accelerating then I would use the advantage of bike's superior acceleration to pass them then in a situation more under my terms. You just know with an erratic driver that eventually there will be that sudden stop or turn. I don't want to be anywhere near them when that inevitably happens. (Even a couple of cars back is still not a good place to be as you don't want a multiple car accident happening right in front of you.)

Alternatively I would drop way back and let them sort their shit out without me being anywhere near them.

Of course you had the 250 rider behind you on your mind as well and you may not have been riding in your normal manner. Such are the problems of not riding your own ride.

[miloking]

Or they take out their aggression on the next motorcyclist they see? Grow up ya fuckwit!

If someone tries to kill me i wont be nicely explaining to them why they should do that...so no i wont grow up ya fuckwit!

[onearmedbandit]

If someone tries to kill me i wont be nicely explaining to them why they should do that...so no i wont grow up ya fuckwit!

Oh well, as long as you get your point across that's all that matters eh. Stuff anyone else, as long as miloking feels tough about bashing someones mirror off.

[Kickaha]

Oh well, as long as you get your point across that's all that matters eh. Stuff anyone else, as long as miloking feels tough about bashing someones mirror off.

He certainly scares me, did skidmark have an older brother?

[onearmedbandit]

He certainly scares me, did skidmark have an older brother?

I think miloking is where the skidmark came from in the first place.

[MsKABC]

You still don't get it, do you?

We need to stop using blame as our yardstick and start using our ability of avoidance instead.

No, most of us DO actually get your message. We just don't like the way you're sending it. Ever heard the phrase "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar"? Or to rephrase that: If you want people to listen to you, try to not be such an offensive tosspot.

[onearmedbandit]

Yes that saying is true. However, a message delivered that was is easy to ignore. Delivery like Katmans evokes a response, which comes from evoking thoughts. I know that I used to disagree with his methods, but now I see the logic behind his motives.

It's not about 'blame', it's about responsibility. The car driver was to blame for her actions, no one is denying that. We as riders however have to take responsibility for our safety. Think about it for a minute, the car driver has a dented car and a fine coming her way, Terbang had a week in hospital, and him and his daughter require rehabilitation. The car driver is probably out playing a round of golf today, or visiting friends. Terbang and his daughter are nursing injuries.

[beyond]

Let me share an experience today Terbang so you can see the positive results of your post.

I came around a corner today on a 100km/h stretch of road and spotted a car parked on the left about 200m in front of me. Almost immediately I noticed something about the exhaust that led me to believe the engine was running in the car - and your post immediately came to my mind. I buttoned off the throttle a little bit. I then looked at the cabin and there were two heads in the car. I buttoned off a little bit more. Then the drivers head started looking right at something on the other side of the road. I buttoned off a little bit more. Actually (combined with your story) the risk in my mind was now so great I had decided I would not pass the car on the right hand side. I'd bring the bike to a complete halt if I had to - that's how nervous the situation made me.

The driver did then indeed proceed to execute a right hand turn. Had the driver seen me? I don't know. I didn't see them look in the mirror. Note that I have no particular gripe with the driver. I had reduced my speed by so much at this stage I was no longer in any danger - and importantly, greatly extended the amount of time I had to react. I accept responsibility for me own safety - and will take what I consider to be sufficient steps to avoid getting hurt.

So you see, by sharing stories like yours you help to remind people like me of the dangers on the road, and how we have to be ever vigilant to make sure we don't allow ourselves to be hurt.

So thank you for sharing your painful story, and take away this positive from the whole incident that you may well have helped many others from having a repeat of the experience you went through.

Now this is the sort of thing that makes sharing experiences so important on KB. Good stuff.

[Iggy]

Yes that saying is true. However, a message delivered that was is easy to ignore. Delivery like Katmans evokes a response, which comes from evoking thoughts. I know that I used to disagree with his methods, but now I see the logic behind his motives.

It's not about 'blame', it's about responsibility. The car driver was to blame for her actions, no one is denying that. We as riders however have to take responsibility for our safety. Think about it for a minute, the car driver has a dented car and a fine coming her way, Terbang had a week in hospital, and him and his daughter require rehabilitation. The car driver is probably out playing a round of golf today, or visiting friends. Terbang and his daughter are nursing injuries.

I agree with you but its Katmans delivery of the message that winds some people up, that its like some newbie on here are asking Katman for advice on what he would do in similar circumstances as Terbangs accident. Just for once it would be nice for Katman to put a at the end of his wisdom and safety message but instead he is ranting like a ...........................

[CRM]

I haven't read the whole thread but can only agree with what I have read - watch out for distracted drivers who are obviously looking for a road or something and just not looking at their rear view mirrors at all. I had one pull out of in front of me in Kaikoura last year and I nearly had to put my fully loaded XR600 down to avoid t-boning them (I was only doing about 40kph) - they didn't notice. Then a hundred metres or so further they brake suddenly and turn across the road leaving me nowhere to go again (fortunately this time I was a little more guarded) - still didn't see me. As far as I know they had no idea of the potential carnage they were leaving in their wake. Asian family (tourists?) in minivan. I know what it's like in a strange place when you just want to find your destination so I have some sympathy for them but that was just silly driving. Maybe *555 is appropriate for these kind of drivers?

[Katman]

No, most of us DO actually get your message. We just don't like the way you're sending it. Ever heard the phrase "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar"? Or to rephrase that: If you want people to listen to you, try to not be such an offensive tosspot.

If you want sugary sweet, the candy shop's down the road.

Just for once it would be nice for Katman to put a at the end of his wisdom and safety message

Don't hold your breath.

[jasonzc]

Thats ok you dont have to be...but you die! Simple as that...

IF you are going to overtake ASIAN lady in 4x4 without any suspicion at all you are asking for trouble...

(before anyone calls me racist against asians ...same goes for buses, trucks, indian taxi drivers...or taxi drivers in general, bro's in lowered mercs and so on...)

... you forgot kiwis, they can be just as bad also.

hahah just becareful folks.. should be aware that all cagers can cause carnage, no matter where they origionate.