Biker down. Yep I just got bowled...

**Maha** · 17th November 2010, 10:21

Originally Posted by Phreak

TOP REPLIED THREAD...!!!

I'd like to thank God, (or Katman, if he still insists on being called that), Fatt Max, MSTRS, 'Tart, Maha, Mom, and everyone else that has actually had something worthwhile to say on the topic of my accident.

Started the process towards getting back on the road today, stripping the bike down for powdercoat... (Turns out I might be back sooner than I thought!)

...and to finish the process off nicely, I have a transfer for your swingarm....

**Phreak** · 17th November 2010, 20:46

Mint! I actually just remembered about that today, was going to PM you and ask if it'd still be okay to get one off you.

Sending the frame and swingarm off to powdercoat early next week, will apply the transfer before clear-coat so it lasts...

**Fatt Max** · 17th November 2010, 21:01

I just want everyone to know that Phreak is a great bloke, and the only guy you need in your corner when planning an escape from an enemy held holiday camp armed only with a spoon, a can of chain lube and a hard on.

You have my vote for man of the year Phreak, long may you be so snoggable..

**Latte** · 17th November 2010, 21:04

If you can, throw up some pics of the frame and swingarm when you get em back. And let us know who you use. Have been umming and arring getting mine done and would like to see the results (and the price) haha.

Oh yeah, glad your ok, as long as you add it to your bag of tricks you can make it a positive. Although Katman's message is repetitive ad nauseum, I've noticed more people agreeing with his message (although not the delivery) since I've joined the forum - I figure he's actually trying to keep as many of us upright as he can.

**Phreak** · 17th November 2010, 21:12

YAY! NUMBER 1 NUMBER 1 NUMBER 1!!!!!!

(this is what happens when the bike is off the road...!)

Check out this page hiss, complete run down of a CBR rebuild!

Lol Max, I'd snog you anytime mate...!

:-)

**baptist** · 17th November 2010, 21:49

[QUOTE Lol Max, I'd snog you anytime mate...! :-)[/QUOTE]

Honda rider alert

Offer to polish it (the Bike you perv) when it is all finished is there mate... enjoy the build.

**Phreak** · 17th November 2010, 22:17

Haha I knew that'd get a reaction from someone...!

But Maxxy's just so damn cuddly! Lol

**baptist** · 18th November 2010, 06:46

Originally Posted by Phreak

Haha I knew that'd get a reaction from someone...!

But Maxxy's just so damn cuddly! Lol

Honda riders! ..... you guys need to get a room

**shrub** · 18th November 2010, 08:55

Originally Posted by hiss

Although Katman's message is repetitive ad nauseum, I've noticed more people agreeing with his message (although not the delivery) since I've joined the forum - I figure he's actually trying to keep as many of us upright as he can.

Katman has the right idea, but he has taken too polarised a perspective. The reason it's been 24 years since my last off is a combination of luck (which NOBODY can count on) and me taking total responsibility for my own safety. The problem I have with Katman is the way he presents his message is that it comes across that all crashes are the fault of the rider, and that none were the fault of anyone else - in Phreaks case the car driver was almost an innocent participant. At this point there will no doubt be howls of outrage that this is not what he says, but it's what comes across a lot of the time.

And that is not helpful.

I have been taken to task on the odd occassion when I have argued that there are some appalling drivers out there who put everyone in danger, but the truth is there are. Phreak's crash is a case in point - the idiot who hit him did a lot of things wrong and even though Phreak seemed to get blamed by a lot of people, the only things he did wrong were ride a Honda and make the (entirely valid) choice to go around a hazard.

The most important lesson I take out with me every time I ride is that other road users do strange and unpredictable shit, and that has me constantly watching and second guessing everyone else. It also means I do stuff like try not to be where other people are by filtering to the front and getting several car lengths ahead of cars, and by avoiding group rides of more than half a dozen people.

In Phreak's situation, I would probably have thought "hmmm... that guy isn't looking and doesn't know i'm here. Best I let him get well away from me and make sure he knows I'm behind him" braked, then made a point of being in his mirrors and even flashing highbeam.

I think Katman has a genuine desire to see crash rates drop and motorcyclists change their attitude, but his confrontational and polarised position does him few favours. I do however agree that it does seem more people are realising that we are the masters of our own destiny, so who knows, he may be doing more good than any of us realise.

**Luckylegs** · 18th November 2010, 10:19

Originally Posted by shrub

...in Phreaks case the car driver was almost an innocent participant.

Nice, now your starting to get it huh?

...Now I know thats not what you said/implied but frankly its about the most interesting thing anyone could do with such a pointless post!

If your going to keep making stupid statements like...

Originally Posted by shrub

...
the only things he did wrong were ride a Honda and make the (entirely valid) choice to go around a hazard.

Then I'd hazard a guess that you dont get Katman and why he has to present his message the way he does...

**Pascal** · 18th November 2010, 10:25

Originally Posted by shrub

In Phreak's situation, I would probably have thought "hmmm... that guy isn't looking and doesn't know i'm here. Best I let him get well away from me and make sure he knows I'm behind him" braked, then made a point of being in his mirrors and even flashing highbeam.

Hmmm ... so as a rider you'd have made a different choice to Phreak based off your perception, attitude and skill as a rider in anticipating hazards. One that aligns more with the option I've seen a mentor suggested in the thread. (Despite not being there, understood).

So take a step back now. Do you think your choice would have had a higher chance of avoiding that accident?

See where Katman is coming from now?

**shrub** · 18th November 2010, 10:37

Originally Posted by Pascal

Hmmm ... so as a rider you'd have made a different choice to Phreak based off your perception, attitude and skill as a rider in anticipating hazards. One that aligns more with the option I've seen a mentor suggested in the thread. (Despite not being there, understood).

So take a step back now. Do you think your choice would have had a higher chance of avoiding that accident?

See where Katman is coming from now?

No, I don't see where katman is coming from. I would probably have made a different choice because I have been riding a shitload longer than Phreak and don't trust other road users to do anything other than dumb shit like turn without looking in their mirrors. I don't blame or condemn Phreak for making his choice to go around because it is an entirely valid way of managing a hazard in certain circumstances, and if he had my experience he might have done things differently. Note I said "might" because the only person who was there was Phreak, so his choice may have been the best one.

What irritates me is when people condemn and attack people with limited experience for not having experience, and that's where it seems Katman is coming from. his default position is to judge against the motorcyclist regardless of how much or little he knows about the situation.

**Phreak** · 18th November 2010, 10:41

Are we still actually bitching about who was in the wrong...?

Seriously, get over it folks. What matters is that the lesson has been learnt, for me at least. Not all accidents are avoidable, unless you want to stay home and hide in your bed all day. But I'd rather be out on my bike! So therein lies the simple fact - if you are prepared, and aware, the chances are you will see hazards before they appear, and react accordingly. And if you are lucky, you will be able to avoid the hazard. Or, if you do lose concentration for the briefest of seconds, hopefully you are intelligent enough to be wearing good protective gear.

Accidents happen, end of story.

Whether or not I should have seen the car before it pulled out is a question I have put behind me, what's done is done.

(but thanks for standing up for me when other people think they know exactly how the accident unfolded, shrub)

**Luckylegs** · 18th November 2010, 10:53

Originally Posted by Phreak

Are we still actually bitching about who was in the wrong...?

Seriously, get over it folks. What matters is that the lesson has been learnt, for me at least. Not all accidents are avoidable, unless you want to stay home and hide in your bed all day. But I'd rather be out on my bike! So therein lies the simple fact - if you are prepared, and aware, the chances are you will see hazards before they appear, and react accordingly. And if you are lucky, you will be able to avoid the hazard. Or, if you do lose concentration for the briefest of seconds, hopefully you are intelligent enough to be wearing good protective gear.

Accidents happen, end of story.

Whether or not I should have seen the car before it pulled out is a question I have put behind me, what's done is done.

(but thanks for standing up for me when other people think they know exactly how the accident unfolded, shrub)

Point taken and moving on, but........................

You wanted the post to be "number 1" though, how the hell are we going to that now?