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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak View Post

    For what it's worth, I do take all theories into mind, I don't just say "Nah, you weren't there mate", cause I know it has happened to other riders before. Feel free to give me examples of what I should have done.
    Unfortunately for the most part all you will get is "Should have done better" "Shouldn't have let it get to having to take evasive action" "Should stop at every intersection and behind every stationary vehicle, fully assess the potential for danger and then push your bike through the hazard"
    If you do not do all of these things and have a crash, you are responsible. Got it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    There is one little detail you may be missing here. Legally, phreak's bike was not allowed to be on the road which could see him charged with not being registered. The insurance company is well within its rights, both policy and legal to turn down a claim as he was riding illegally at the time and shouldn't have been there in the first place. This may or may not affect their willingness to rpovide cover in the future as well.

    If your bike is just out of rego and you can persuade the law and the insurance company that it was an honest oversight you could possibly get away with it, but to have your rego on hold is a definite no-no.

    Phreak, ignore the knockers in this instance. Aside from the legal issues I've brought out, there is nothing in your posts to suggest you could have effectively avoided him.
    Charged by who Ed? Police wasnt there and the insurance will be hardly issuing him a $200 ticket! And even if by some miracle they could its still cheaper than the damages...
    also lots of insurance companies DO NOT care about rego expired/on hold....so thats WHY i suggested call the insurance and ask, before you jump into any conclusions or take any advice from KB as a fact...

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    Quote Originally Posted by miloking View Post
    Charged by who Ed? Police wasnt there and the insurance will be hardly issuing him a $200 ticket! And even if by some miracle they could its still cheaper than the damages...
    also lots of insurance companies DO NOT care about rego expired/on hold....so thats WHY i suggested call the insurance and ask, before you jump into any conclusions or take any advice from KB as a fact...
    Nothing wrong with calling them and asking, you're quite right. I was only pointing out the possible legal ramifications which we all should be aware of when we make decisions about whether we will register/warrant/insure/ride our bikes according to law or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    ...Phreak, ignore the knockers in this instance. Aside from the legal issues I've brought out, there is nothing in your posts to suggest you could have effectively avoided him.
    What knockers? (Other than the obvious, who is not really knocking). Ive asked a question a few posts ago (not yet answered) which may or may not make it look like Im knocking but...

    Perhaps the reason there is nothing in his post to suggest anything different is that he simply hasnt posted it. (Due, Im sure in no small part to the state of mind and physical wellbeing after an accident, but nonetheless) and that a few extra facts like distance from the car when he started to pull out might all help to paint a better picture and allow the KB SCU to better decide whether it may have been aviodable and suggest how it may have been done.

    Who knows, what I do know is that I have clearly been ridiculously lucky commuting in Auckland for the last few years (including both the North western carpark and Sandringham Road incl bus lanes) as Ive not once had anyone pull out, what I consider "Right in front of me".


    edit: had inlcuded speed as one of the bits of info not provided when in fact it had been (sorry, now removed)

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    Actually the thread opening,to me is bugger I crashed,and this is my view of how it happened.Each and every crash will have same outcome,after all admit NO liability is what happens.

    What is needed isn't the "you total idiot it was avoidable(if it was it wouldn't happen)if you were alert etc".

    Seems if the op was doing a wheelie,after doing a runner from cops,all whilst doing the coro loop at 180km average,he'd be an ideal biker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot slow View Post

    Seems if the op was doing a wheelie,after doing a runner from cops,all whilst doing the coro loop at 180km average,he'd be an ideal biker.
    Pffft!! Over-rated...
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Pffft!! Over-rated...
    Wonder what the esteemed Katman would've thought of the two or three friggin twats we encountered Friday night,GALOPS plate especially.Driving erratically,having passenger wheel on centreline on left handers,any vehicle travelling towards her was in the shit,ok so I backed off and was relieved to get passed once out of twisty bits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot slow View Post
    Wonder what the esteemed Katman would've thought of the two or three friggin twats we encountered Friday night,GALOPS plate especially.Driving erratically,having passenger wheel on centreline on left handers,any vehicle travelling towards her was in the shit,ok so I backed off and was relieved to get passed once out of twisty bits.
    Prolly that drivers like that are merely there to test our abilities as responsible, crash-avoiding motorcyclists. We were. Our super-human skills (bike handling, law abiding, patience) saw us avoid the heinous carnage sought by the Audi driver, not to mention having the opportunity to give the prick the learn...
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Prolly that drivers like that are merely there to test our abilities as responsible, crash-avoiding motorcyclists. We were. Our super-human skills (bike handling, law abiding, patience) saw us avoid the heinous carnage sought by the Audi driver, not to mention having the opportunity to give the prick the learn...
    Ah I thought she was glaring at me for having a sly piss behind the tussock,then realised where I stood meant cars couldn't see me,but suv could,well until they went passed lol.

    Nothing superhuman,but leaving shit loads of room,and taking the passing of her to extreme,i.e almost on far right of passing lane,incase she decided to pass an imaginary mirage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot slow View Post
    What is needed isn't the "you total idiot it was avoidable(if it was it wouldn't happen)if you were alert etc".
    Which is interesting in this thread.

    The rider is an executive jet pilot, needing:
    Awareness,
    Forward thinking,
    Situational awareness,
    Intelligence,
    Planning,
    Care,
    Responsibility,
    Knowledge of "human factors",
    Etc,
    Etc.

    On the day in question he:
    Has his daughter on the back. Dunno about you, but with loved ones riding pillion there is a bit of extra care taken.
    Both riding with appropriate safety gear.
    Alert to road users.
    Detects a 4x4 driver that is setting off the "suspicion-ometer".
    Rides to the conditions present.
    Is doing much less than the posted speed limit (avoiding the propaganda that "speed kills")...
    Waits for a safe, clear stretch of road to pass.

    Then gets taken out.


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    So, freshly back from a day in A&E, 5 or so hours lying on a stretcher with my neck in a brace, not allowed to move at all (even though I walked in there on my own two feet...) - made for a feckin' fun day...

    The prognosis? 3 x-rays later, doctor tells me my spine is all good, nothing untoward detected, and my stiff neck is just a couple of pulled muscles. :-)

    So, resting up for a couple of days, then back to work and looking into stripping the bike down for a full rebuild. Been wanting to powdercoat the frame anyways! Figure I'm not gonna be doing much riding this summer, bit scared off it actually, but think I can use the time to build the bike back up even better and shiny-er!

    In a better mood about it all now, still gonna pinch the pocket a little bit but hey, least I'm not still in hospital with a broken neck!

    Again, thanks to everyone for their kind words, might see you back out there again one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
    ...still gonna pinch the pocket a little bit...
    What's insurance for? If cops aren't charging you for anything, then it is definitely the other party's fault and they pay. Either direct, or you make a claim on your insurer who pay to fix your bike and then get the money off that other person.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    ok people, i followed this chap from auckland to taupo on the weekend just gone. he was one of the most carefull & curtious riders i have ridden with. he always indercated & looked out to see where the other bikers were in relation to himself before he moved to the next lane or to over take. as far as im concerned i would ride with him any day,
    as for the critics re: his accident get over yourselves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUTBAR View Post
    ok people, i followed this chap from auckland to taupo on the weekend just gone. he was one of the most carefull & curtious riders i have ridden with. he always indercated & looked out to see where the other bikers were in relation to himself before he moved to the next lane or to over take. as far as im concerned i would ride with him any day,
    as for the critics re: his accident get over yourselves!
    Never ceases to amaze me Ian how those that were nowhere near the scene of an accident conclude all to quickley who is at fault/what the relating circumstance were and how the position of the moon and the shifting of tides can affect how your mind reacts.
    I also did alot of riding with Scott over the weekend, rode with back to Auckland yesterday and not once in the entire time did I ever feel the need to critique his riding.
    He would be one of a select few that I would happily ride in group situation with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUTBAR View Post
    ok people, i followed this chap from auckland to taupo on the weekend just gone. he was one of the most carefull & curtious riders i have ridden with. he always indercated & looked out to see where the other bikers were in relation to himself before he moved to the next lane or to over take. as far as im concerned i would ride with him any day,
    as for the critics re: his accident get over yourselves!
    I also thought he was great company on the road and a pleasure to ride with. So much so that I had no hesitation in snogging him outside that bakery in Morrinsville

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