Police crackdown

[bogan]

Not, actually. Lift each wheel off the deck, check bearings, spin the wheel and apply brake. No load at all, but they're happy.
They've actually said to me "Bike wof's aren't worth the paper they're written on. We can't check thinks like frame cracks under the tank, and so on. You guys ride these things, and we guess you wouldn't if they weren't ok"

yeh true, they do the same in palmy, actually reminds me, I got no center stand anymore, wonder how they'll lift the wheels to check (I use tie downs to the frame sliders and a roof). Would not be too happy if they chucked a jack onto the crank case...

[BoristheBiter]

Not, actually. Lift each wheel off the deck, check bearings, spin the wheel and apply brake. No load at all, but they're happy.
They've actually said to me "Bike wof's aren't worth the paper they're written on. We can't check thinks like frame cracks under the tank, and so on. You guys ride these things, and we guess you wouldn't if they weren't ok"

so no need for a road test then.

[MSTRS:Me]

yeh true, they do the same in palmy, actually reminds me, I got no center stand anymore, wonder how they'll lift the wheels to check (I use tie downs to the frame sliders and a roof). Would not be too happy if they chucked a jack onto the crank case...

Side stand. You haul the bike over so front wheel is off the deck, then same for rear wheel. Do not let them use a jack.
Dunno how it works for Harleys. Mind you - their brakes aren't up to much anyway. Apparently.

[cowboyz]

Nice troll!

Number of 'unsafe U-turns killing somebody' by Police: 1

Number of 'riding like a fuckwit and killing self/others by bikers': gazzilion.

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awesome.. only counting a fifth of errors by police and exaggrating those of bikers. Well done you brainwashed fucking sheep.

umm... "police car doing a U-turn to chase a speeding driver is the fifth such accident involving a police vehicle since 2007." as at 20/04/2010

Splitting hairs but I was refering to motorbikes.

of course its 'splitting hairs' if it doesnt agree to your stats.. - which happen to be completely wrong. Sure you dont want a job in parliment?

But there's also a good chance that they might pick up something that's amiss on a bike, or someone who's not fit to ride, or one of a myriad other issues. And they might just save a life. That life could be yours. Not because you'd crash mind, because you're one of the ones that never does anything wrong. But you know, another, lesser, biker could ride into you and really fuck up your day.

so you advocating .. instead of training lets just do enforcement. Of course.. The ledger looks better that way

My WOF done this morning. Tester spun each wheel and applied the brake to see if it stopped. Not under any load at all. Plus he used his magic light to check the pad thickness. He was happy.
Thing is - even if I don't use them much, I know my brakes work, and I know the pads are fine. But it's not up to me, is it? I want that bit of sticker, so even if it's bullshit, what the tester does/says is important...

WOF are a waste of time. Police decide on the side of the road if your bike is roadworthy or not anyhow. Im not sure how they think they can pick up things that VTNZ miss..... i mean.. with no workshop.. just on the side of the road in all.

The cops do this because they can

They can do this because it's the law

It's the law because parliament passed it

Parliament passed it because the Govt. of the day thought there were votes in it.

Thats the leverage point right there.


Now - to use that leverage we have 2 options

1. The Katrman premise: Improve motorcycling standards and behaviour so that less (MUCH less) havoc is reported to the great unwashed as being caused by motorcyclists thereby gaining wide public support for an easing of enforcement activity and a reduction in targeting.

2. The 'fuck-em all" approach: Cause widespread civil disturbance and massive (REALLY big) public inconvenience thereby getting the great unwashed to clamour very very loudly that 'something be done" to pacify us and allow them to get on with their lives.

Option 2 is used widely across the globe. It can be a bit dodgy with authoritarian type governments but has proven to be very successful in Western democracies with wideapread media coverage.

Option 1 has never been used with success

...anywhere

...ever.


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best of luck getting ANY group of more than 10 people in NZ to band together. I rode with thousands of bikes to wellington last year and listened to speeches how the rises in ACC were not fair and 'we' as bikers were not going to stand for it. 2 months later the fees went up (albiet not as much as orginially suggested but probably just as much as they planned to in the first place) and are bikers back there? I havent heard anything!

Not my local VTNZ. I have to do a brake test for them. On the back road behind the testing station. Gary @ UH VTNZ says the roller isn't safe for motorcycles.

Every WOF i do I take it on the rollers myself. No muppet is getting on my bike. Its all good saying that they will pay for it but will they really? (the correct answer is no they wont!) they will pay what they think its worth to them.. not to you! Same prinicple insurance companies use.

[riffer]

so you advocating .. instead of training lets just do enforcement. Of course.. The ledger looks better that way

No of course I'm not advocating enforcement over education. My point was merely that there was a possibility that something COULD be spotted during a check.

You're probably one of those types, like myself, who make a point of knowing the state of your vehicle and checking it every time you go out. But believe me, a lot of people don't do that.

Education is always going to be better than enforcement. But if it always worked we wouldn't need enforcement would we?

[Patrick]

11 Pages of chicken little... "the sky is falling..."

These pamphlets, and the advice in them, is coming from the likes of BRONZ and other like minded motorbike groups, for the motorbike riders...

Not from the Police....

But some people are just plain paranoid, I guess....

[BoristheBiter]

11 Pages of chicken little... "the sky is falling..."

These pamphlets, and the advice in them, is coming from the likes of BRONZ and other like minded motorbike groups, for the motorbike riders...

Not from the Police....

But some people are just plain paranoid, I guess....

Why should today be any different.

[bogan]

11 Pages of chicken little... "the sky is falling..."

These pamphlets, and the advice in them, is coming from the likes of BRONZ and other like minded motorbike groups, for the motorbike riders...

Not from the Police....

But some people are just plain paranoid, I guess....

Well I know one such group that if you had asked, its likely you wouldn't have been able to print the reply

And who are the targeted rego checks coming from? I you lot really wanted to make it about safety, you wouldn't bother with rego checks.

[Number One]

Who is the company that manufactures Milo? I'm sueing them, as its clear from this thread that it is detrimental to childrens brains.

Fanny.

LOL I agree! I think I shall switch my boy he loves that shit.

Slow down, R E A D PROPERLY - think hard and THEN respond...or not.

Cadbury..... or is it now Hersheys?

Nestle

[ducatilover]

Didn't see a single Police officer today Was a beaut of a day, I imagined at least one or two.

[MSTRS:Me]

Yeah. They do that to lull you into forgetting about them...

[rastuscat]

Yes. We sit in our offices plotting how long it will take to lull the riders into a false sense of security.............and eating donuts...........

[steve_t]

Mmmmm.... donuts

[rastuscat]

It's commonly held that there are a certain number of donuts we have to eat each day.

It used to be called a quota, but we aren't allowed to call it that now.

[MSTRS:Me]

It's commonly held that there are a certain number of donuts we have to eat each day.

It used to be called a quota, but we aren't allowed to call it that now.

Performance indicator?
That'd be your waistline, surely?