Police crackdown

[StoneY]

yes, exaggerating as in 'you're 20x more likely to be injured on a bike', while the actual figure is around 3.5x. I'd say thats a bit of an exaggeration wouldn't you?

I was at the public conference Charles Lamb Phd from Lincoln university held to announce the true statistics as he and his graduate students had exposed using MOT's and NZTA's own crash database raw data in May

I have copies of his ppt and study papers at home and I am at work so have to rely on shaky brain cells

From memory, we are:
9x More likely to be seriously injured than other motorists in a COLLISION accident (thats fair, if we hit/get hit by cars it hurts, cant deny that)

4x more likely to be seriously injured in non collision accidents (eg fell off no car involved)

14x LESS likely to be seriously injured than Cyclists or pedestrians in any reported vehicular incident (ATGATT)

And I cannot recall the exact figure but it was a less likely to have a serious crash per 10,000km's travelled than cars or vans or cyclists by a 8-10%(ish)factor

the quote the government thrash and pisses me off so much is the '20x more likely to have a serious crash'

The MOTs own crash stats show we are crashing less than ever with 4.5 serious injuries per 10,000kms travelled, a huge improvement on 10 years ago...........

[BoristheBiter]

yes, exaggerating as in 'you're 20x more likely to be injured on a bike', while the actual figure is around 3.5x. I'd say thats a bit of an exaggeration wouldn't you?

Still doesn't mean they will ban bikes.

Statistics are a good way the check past trends and to see if a patten has formed.
they can be manipulated to fit any argument, i can even do it with Stoney's figures in the above post, but the fact still remains if i hit another vehicle i will come off second best.

[Scuba_Steve]

but the fact still remains if i hit another vehicle i will come off second best.

unless the 2nd vehicle is a deadly pedley, skateboard, Rollerblades, skates etc. etc. etc.

[BoristheBiter]

unless the 2nd vehicle is a deadly pedley, skateboard, Rollerblades, skates etc. etc. etc.

Not really classed as a vehicles.

[mashman]

but the fact still remains if i hit another vehicle i will come off second best.

Only if you believe the hype ... It's more of a likelihood, but it's certainly not a fact.

[bogan]

Still doesn't mean they will ban bikes.

Statistics are a good way the check past trends and to see if a patten has formed.
they can be manipulated to fit any argument, i can even do it with Stoney's figures in the above post, but the fact still remains if i hit another vehicle i will come off second best.

Well obviously they aren't actually going to make it illegal to ride, but there are other ways of phasing it out, like taxing, and convincing people it's a bad idea to do it.
Put it this way, why are they trying to convince NZ'rs that riding is more dangerous than it actually is?

[Scuba_Steve]

Not really classed as a vehicles.

yes they are vehicles... Not motor vehicles, but vehicles

[ducatilover]

Put it this way, why are they trying to convince NZ'rs that riding is more dangerous than it actually is?

So all of us, the bike to live and stubborn fuckers, pay our taxes. We will whinge and moan more than an 80 year old giving a blowie on her knees, yet the general majority still pay the taxes. Good old ACC.
Don't get me started on the levy per vehicle shit either.

I myself have had two bike accidents, one serious and one pathetic. Yet, I've been involved in many accidents with cars, one of which was my fault, driving like a cock.
All I can do, is hope to win the ACC battle. I'm not too keen on paying over 1k a year to ride a few bikes....

[BoristheBiter]

Only if you believe the hype ... It's more of a likelihood, but it's certainly not a fact.

sorry but thats just plain daft.
it is a fact that if i hit a car(or one hits me) while on the bike the driver of said car will be better off than me.

Well untill i stand back up

[BoristheBiter]

yes they are vehicles... Not motor vehicles, but vehicles

meaning of vehicle.n. 1,machine, esp.with an engine and wheels, for carrying people or objects.

[BoristheBiter]

Well obviously they aren't actually going to make it illegal to ride, but there are other ways of phasing it out, like taxing, and convincing people it's a bad idea to do it.
Put it this way, why are they trying to convince NZ'rs that riding is more dangerous than it actually is?

Again i can't see that ever happening.

[Scuba_Steve]

meaning of vehicle.n. 1,machine, esp.with an engine and wheels, for carrying people or objects.

vehicle—
(a) means a contrivance equipped with wheels, tracks, or revolving runners on which it moves or is moved; and
(b) includes a hovercraft, a skateboard, in-line skates, and roller skates; but
(c) does not include—
(i) a perambulator or pushchair:
(ii) a shopping or sporting trundler not propelled by mechanical power:
(iii) a wheelbarrow or hand-trolley:
(iv) [Repealed]
(v) a pedestrian-controlled lawnmower:
(vi) a pedestrian-controlled agricultural machine not propelled by mechanical power:
(vii) an article of furniture:
(viii) a wheelchair not propelled by mechanical power:
(ix) any other contrivance specified by the rules not to be a vehicle for the purposes of this definition:
(x) any rail vehicle

[bogan]

Again i can't see that ever happening.

not sure if sarcasm or not, but if not, how deep is your head in the sand, it's happening now

[BoristheBiter]

not sure if sarcasm or not, but if not, how deep is your head in the sand, it's happening now

No it wasn't I am just not a Conspiracy theorist.

[ducatilover]

No it wasn't I am just not a Conspiracy theorist.

Does that mean you won't have your own theme music?