Police crackdown

[bogan]

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...hs-2009-v2.xls

other than the decimal point in the wrong place they are correct.
It is the way it is looked at that changes.


All that the stats tell us that in 2009 a % of cars had injury crashes and a % of bikes had injury crashes and % wise more bikes had injury crashes.

other than the decimal point cos an order of magnitude error is pretty minor? please tell me you ain't an engineer

[Scuba_Steve]

True - but 0km/h isn't what the signs say. Ones round here say 50 and 100 - not 237....

237 would be excessive speed in most situations (not all) & thus dangerous driving. 120km/h is perfectly acceptable on free flowing motorways/highways
but also 50km/h I would also consider excessive speed through a heavily packed CBD even if the sign reads 50km/h

its driving to conditions NOT a sign!.
The ACC poster I've just seen also points out in 3 seconds you can travel the length of a rugby field, the average person takes 2-4secs to check that insignificant needle on the insignificant dial meaning they could travel 55-100m before looking at the road again thats a hell of a distance not to be watching the road.

[ducatilover]

So it's 20x more likely to be INJURED in a crash? Not 20x/18x/16x (depending on the retard quoting the stats) more likely to CRASH?


That sounds more like it, also.... Somewhat obvious isn't it? Yet in the Joe Publics mind, this has been twisted into "fuck, that bike is going to crash. Wait for it...., yeah just a wee bit longer, dirty baby killing, lemur murdering, fish raping bike-o-holic fuckers"

[BoristheBiter]

other than the decimal point cos an order of magnitude error is pretty minor? please tell me you ain't an engineer

How did you guess

[Katman]

the average person takes 2-4secs to check that insignificant needle on the insignificant dial meaning they could travel 55-100m before looking at the road again thats a hell of a distance not to be watching the road.

You're kidding me, right?

If someone has to take longer than a second to flick their eyes down to the speedo and back up again they shouldn't be in charge of any vehicle.

[MSTRS:Me]

You're kidding me, right?

If someone has to take longer than a second to flick their eyes down to the speedo and back up again they shouldn't be in charge of any vehicle.

I think he's kidding about 'the average...' but don't be fooled, they're out there.

[mashman]

As a motorbike rider, if you are involved in a crash, YOU, as a motorbike rider, are 20 times more likely to be injured.... Doesn't matter who is at fault... Dunno how to make it any clearer.

Erm, making it clearer by proving it would help, if you can find the numbers that is ... Perhaps finding the calculation that says we're 20x times more likely to get the splat would help. Do it exist? Or is it just something the boys in blue take as red from government of the day? Looks like a few of us have been trying to find the source for that, but to no avail... You obviously have the figures as you know better than the know all's

Again, why bother... Who says it is the wrong user group? Too many Motorbike riders can bring misery onto themselves... apparently... This is something that is hard to comprehend, I know... but.....

... very few cars seem to be bringing MASSES of misery to every road user FACT, including themselves, but it looks like that's being ignored, if not actively accepted by ACC, Politicians and the Police! Why? Because there's lots of them so it's to be expected... P A T H E T I C excuse considering the published figures of death and injury that these vehicles bring to the road! Yet motorcyclists need to clean up their act because some invisible person says they're 20x more likely to be injured in a crash... and you accuse me of being blind

[Scuba_Steve]

You're kidding me, right?

If someone has to take longer than a second to flick their eyes down to the speedo and back up again they shouldn't be in charge of any vehicle.

it takes about 2secs to look down, focus, look up, re-focus & acknowledge.
while you may still be seeing to road during some of the process you are NOT fully acknowledging it (like hearing someone vs listening to them, or using a cellphone) & thus you have travelled a fair distance not paying attention & some people do take upto 4secs to complete this process but god would you start a shit storm if you ever tried to stop them driving due to being "slow".

[scumdog]

All this talk of stats is rather pointless.

The fact is that there are too many accidents happening. We need to work out how to reduce them.

Going by the way some of them rode going to/from the Burt Munro I doubt we ever will...I'm sure that the only law/road rule/safe riding practise some adhered to was wearing their helmet.

[ducatilover]

Going by the way some of them rode going to/from the Burt Munro I doubt we ever will...I'm sure that the only law/road rule/safe riding practise some adhered to was wearing their helmet.

Hence, we get a bad name. It's just giving the media it's proverbial milk filled mammary to suckle.

[twinbruva]

Going by the way some of them rode going to/from the Burt Munro I doubt we ever will...I'm sure that the only law/road rule/safe riding practise some adhered to was wearing their helmet.

We also saw some pretty stupid shit heading north after the Jokers show in Ashburton. Not naming names but there were members of certain NI groups that were undertaking at high speed in 50kph zones and shit like that.

Gotta be tough buggers eh?

[racefactory]

So has anyone been caught down there yet? Still another 15 days to go.

Are they going pretty intense or what?

[BoristheBiter]

Erm, making it clearer by proving it would help, if you can find the numbers that is ... Perhaps finding the calculation that says we're 20x times more likely to get the splat would help. Do it exist? Or is it just something the boys in blue take as red from government of the day? Looks like a few of us have been trying to find the source for that, but to no avail... You obviously have the figures as you know better than the know all's



... very few cars seem to be bringing MASSES of misery to every road user FACT, including themselves, but it looks like that's being ignored, if not actively accepted by ACC, Politicians and the Police! Why? Because there's lots of them so it's to be expected... P A T H E T I C excuse considering the published figures of death and injury that these vehicles bring to the road! Yet motorcyclists need to clean up their act because some invisible person says they're 20x more likely to be injured in a crash... and you accuse me of being blind

As said it is the way you look at the stats and if you can't see it by now there is no point in trying to show you, again.

You just go on believing thats its safer to ride bikes and we will just leave it there.

[mashman]

As said it is the way you look at the stats and if you can't see it by now there is no point in trying to show you, again.

You just go on believing thats its safer to ride bikes and we will just leave it there.

... yeah, i really don't get it . My "argument" isn't that we crash less than other vehicles. I FULLY understand, and have written so on KB, that we have more injuries per motorcycle user than a car does per car user. They have a larger user base to spread their injuries across, it is to be expected.

My "argument", is that motorcyclists have nowhere near the ACTUAL crash, injury, or death stats that cars have (irrespective of their risk ). Excusing it by saying that you expect it to happen, based on their larger numbers, is jamming ones head in the fuckin sand and accepting that nothing can be done. I'd love to see the number of incidents they cause, as i believe they will be huge numbers. That drastically reduces a motorcyclists "safety" on the road. Tis just a person, in a vehicle that hasn't paid attention, has pushed too hard, has understeered the corner etc... The choice of vehicle has next to fuck all to do with it other than shaping some of the incident outcome. But sure, go ahead and pin it on motorcyclists

You just go on believing thats its safer to drive cars and we will just leave it there.

[steve_t]

I FULLY understand, and have written so on KB, that we have more injuries per motorcycle user than a car does per car user.

......

You just go on believing that it's safer to drive cars and we will just leave it there.