Police crackdown

[StoneY]

Word has helped you typo your own letter too. When you mention Carterton, you write the date as 7th October 2010-11-30...

muahahahahhahahaha

yeah saw that, fixed it before mailing the signed copy off
rely too much on auto spekll check LOL

[swbarnett]

Just have a look what happens when any set of traffic lights goes out for any reason... The sheer look of horror on drivers faces when they have to "think" what to do....

Maybe in your neck of the woods. A while back the whole of Auckland's North Shore lost power. My observation from my morning commute was that the intersections ran better than they ever have before. No panick and plenty of courtesy.

[swbarnett]

"IF I see" - few people rear-ended actually realise they are about to be.

This is one reason I'll split to the front of the queue even when there's only one car in it.

[Ocean1]

Maybe in your neck of the woods. A while back the whole of Auckland's North Shore lost power. My observation from my morning commute was that the intersections ran better than they ever have before. No panick and plenty of courtesy.

I understood that the installation of traffic lights at otherwise un-modified intersections resulted in both increased accidents and increased injuries. Certainly the case with a couple I know of.

They do tend to have the effect of relieving responsibility from the great unwashed.

[Patrick]

...My "argument", is that motorcyclists have nowhere near the ACTUAL crash, injury, or death stats that cars have (irrespective of their risk ). Excusing it by saying that you expect it to happen, based on their larger numbers, is jamming ones head in the fuckin sand... You just go on believing thats its safer to drive cars and we will just leave it there.

Being encased in steel, with crumple zones, reinforced struts, airbags and seatbelts, is not safer than straddling a bike, coz you have a helmet on? OK then....

we could do this one for a while. They both have their merits. If i see the car in my mirrors, i'd rather be on a motorcycle. At least I have a chance of getting away injury free. Much easier to drop a bike and dive out of the way ...

What movie was that one on...??? How did the re-set button work...???

Maybe in your neck of the woods. A while back the whole of Auckland's North Shore lost power. My observation from my morning commute was that the intersections ran better than they ever have before. No panick and plenty of courtesy.

My neck of the woods? Nope. That was on the Shore too.... I've been around....

[mashman]

Being encased in steel, with crumple zones, reinforced struts, airbags and seatbelts, is not safer than straddling a bike, coz you have a helmet on? OK then....

It is published fact that 78% of the total of ACTUAL road injuries for 2009, were cars and passengers. Fuck me they have an awful lot of injuries especially when you consider that they're so well protected by the things you have outlined above .

We ALL share the same road. Just because you're better protected by steel and bags, doesn't mean you're not going to suffer an injury. The FACTS above prove that to me beyond a doubt. Hence i feel safer riding a motorcycle. As a percentage of the total number of ACTUAL injuries, i'm 11% likely to sustain a road injury. Car 78% or Motorcycle 11%... erm erm... bucket of sand Sir? Yes i understand the risks of motorcycling.

What movie was that one on...??? How did the re-set button work...???

So it's impossible. It will not and never will happen? Spade for your sand Sir?

[Edbear]

It is published fact that 78% of the total of ACTUAL road injuries for 2009, were cars and passengers. Fuck me they have an awful lot of injuries especially when you consider that they're so well protected by the things you have outlined above .

We ALL share the same road. Just because you're better protected by steel and bags, doesn't mean you're not going to suffer an injury. The FACTS above prove that to me beyond a doubt. Hence i feel safer riding a motorcycle. As a percentage of the total number of ACTUAL injuries, i'm 11% likely to sustain a road injury. Car 78% or Motorcycle 11%... erm erm... bucket of sand Sir? Yes i understand the risks of motorcycling.

So it's impossible. It will not and never will happen? Spade for your sand Sir?

Ummm, what about the percentage of cars on the road compared to motorcycles? You need to consider the percentage in proportion to the number of vehicles and kilometers travelled to have any chance of an accurate comparison.

As an example of accidents and injuries. My accident back in May was preceeded by about half and hour by another accident on the same corner. Difference? The first crash was a biker coming off and he broke his leg. I spun out on the same corner apparently for the same reason of oil on the road, (Police report), and probably around the same speed, ie: less than 50km/h, driving my Toyota Estima van. Result?I broke my back. Van a write off as they had to cut the roof off to get me out.

So you might say, "Ahah! You are not safer in a cage, even one as solid as an Estima!" What the statistics won't tell you is that I have Osteoporosis, discovered as a result of the accident, and that was probably the reason for breaking my back. Had my bones been stronger and I fitter, I may have well climbed out without a scratch despite the van not having air-bags.

Statistics tell some of the story and are useful, but they don't tell all the story. I ask myself, if I had been on my bike that day, (as I did nearly take it instead), how badly would I have been hurt due to the Osteo? I wonder about that and worry about the fact that I was riding happily around in a greatly weakened state. My bone density is so low that I have had to get special medical approval for a specific treatment that my GP could not prescribe and it's going to be two or three years before I see much improvement.

[mashman]

Ummm, what about the percentage of cars on the road compared to motorcycles? You need to consider the percentage in proportion to the number of vehicles and kilometers travelled to have any chance of an accurate comparison.

If that's the way you wish to view the statistics, then you're more than welcome to interpret them that way, because they back up your argument, same as the TPTB. I think along the lines of a road user being a road user and an injury being an injury. And if you think about it that way, then cars and their passengers are at the greater risk of injury... Cars and their passengers accounted for 78% of the injuries for 2009. How else can you interpret that fact?, other than cars are bloody dangerous and have a higher risk of injury. Their large numbers are a factor, but does it really matter how many cars there are? We (ALL road users) should all be able to miss each other on the road right?, or be able to navigate a corner safely?, or ride/drive to the conditions? etc... That 78% highlights a problem area to me... but lets focus on the user group stats instead

As an example of accidents and injuries. My accident back in May was preceeded by about half and hour by another accident on the same corner. Difference? The first crash was a biker coming off and he broke his leg. I spun out on the same corner apparently for the same reason of oil on the road, (Police report), and probably around the same speed, ie: less than 50km/h, driving my Toyota Estima van. Result?I broke my back. Van a write off as they had to cut the roof off to get me out.

So you might say, "Ahah! You are not safer in a cage, even one as solid as an Estima!" What the statistics won't tell you is that I have Osteoporosis, discovered as a result of the accident, and that was probably the reason for breaking my back. Had my bones been stronger and I fitter, I may have well climbed out without a scratch despite the van not having air-bags.

Statistics tell some of the story and are useful, but they don't tell all the story. I ask myself, if I had been on my bike that day, (as I did nearly take it instead), how badly would I have been hurt due to the Osteo? I wonder about that and worry about the fact that I was riding happily around in a greatly weakened state. My bone density is so low that I have had to get special medical approval for a specific treatment that my GP could not prescribe and it's going to be two or three years before I see much improvement.

I remember reading the thread. It didn't sound like much fun, well the discomfort bit. The above 78% fact is why I say you're not safer in a cage. But we're all entitled to our own readings of the facts.

[Edbear]

If that's the way you wish to view the statistics, then you're more than welcome to interpret them that way, because they back up your argument, same as the TPTB. I think along the lines of a road user being a road user and an injury being an injury. And if you think about it that way, then cars and their passengers are at the greater risk of injury... Cars and their passengers accounted for 78% of the injuries for 2009. How else can you interpret that fact?, other than cars are bloody dangerous and have a higher risk of injury. Their large numbers are a factor, but does it really matter how many cars there are? We (ALL road users) should all be able to miss each other on the road right?, or be able to navigate a corner safely?, or ride/drive to the conditions? etc... That 78% highlights a problem area to me... but lets focus on the user group stats instead



I remember reading the thread. It didn't sound like much fun, well the discomfort bit. The above 78% fact is why I say you're not safer in a cage. But we're all entitled to our own readings of the facts.

I doubt you'll find many who see it your way. For example if, say, cars also made up 78% of traffic the ratio is even, one for one. If cars are 80% of road traffic they are safer. All official stats are based on the ratio of users and kilometers travelled for an accurate picture. Now again using my stats, I've been riding bikes for 40 years and driving cars for 39 years. I've fallen off my bike twice, both times below 5km/h and have never been badly hurt. I've crashed a four-wheeled vehicle twice, putting my Mum's 1800 Morris into a farm fence after being run off the road by a truck. I was doing about 20mph and again no injury, just a dented front guard. Second was my accident last May. Statistically I have had a better run on bikes, but I could possibly have suffered much more or even died had I been on the bike last May due to my Osteo. Who knows for certain? But your reasoning is biased, not factual.

I love bikes and love riding them, but I'm very realistic.

[Edbear]

Oh, just had a thought! I've done 100's of thousands of Kilometers more in cars than on bikes, so per k's travelled, my record means I'm safer in a car...

[mashman]

I doubt you'll find many who see it your way.

IFS... But your reasoning is biased, not factual.

I love bikes and love riding them, but I'm very realistic.

Some people go through their lives without an injuries at all. But TPTB still use averages for their stats, irrespective of how flawed they are. Personal stats don't, yet, come into it.

The funny thing is, is that "my way", is nothing more than the truth, using the reported numbers . My reasoning is biased? My conclusion has been reached using simple mathematics A bit old fashioned I know, actuarials looking into the future is much more today but...

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Drivers of motor vehicles: 8017
Passengers in motor vehicles: 3370
Motorcyclist and pillion passengers: 1369
Total Injuries: 14541

Car and passenger injuries as a percentage of the total number of reported injuries for 2009 = 78.30960731724091%
Motorcycles as a percent blah blah blah

Sorry, I did bias against motorcycles , not 11%, 9.414758269720102e-4%

No tell me how I have biased my reasoning?

Safer in a car? I think not.

Do the death percentages. They're very similar. We're all just people on the road Ed.

[rastuscat]

Stopped a bloke on a CBR1000 tonight, coz he was riding just a bit too aggressively in traffic.

No reg and no warrant. On a learners bike licence.

I'm a bike cop with a sense of humour, so I asked him how big the engine was on his bike. He started to tell me it was a 250, then he said that it was okay, as he had a learners licence which meant that he could ride a thousand cc bike 4 times.

He rode away with significantly less in fines than he was due, and we both smiled. All was well with the world.

Donuts.

[Brian d marge]

Stopped a bloke on a CBR1000 tonight, coz he was riding just a bit too aggressively in traffic.

No reg and no warrant. On a learners bike licence.

I'm a bike cop with a sense of humour, so I asked him how big the engine was on his bike. He started to tell me it was a 250, then he said that it was okay, as he had a learners licence which meant that he could ride a thousand cc bike 4 times.

He rode away with significantly less in fines than he was due, and we both smiled. All was well with the world.

Donuts.

your a marked man

next time you see a chopped Enfield being aggressively lane split remember I wont charge for sexual favours and Ive eaten the donuts

Stephen

and you man admire my beer can holder I have just installed ...

[miloking]

Stopped a bloke on a CBR1000 tonight, coz he was riding just a bit too aggressively in traffic.

No reg and no warrant. On a learners bike licence.

I'm a bike cop with a sense of humour, so I asked him how big the engine was on his bike. He started to tell me it was a 250, then he said that it was okay, as he had a learners licence which meant that he could ride a thousand cc bike 4 times.

He rode away with significantly less in fines than he was due, and we both smiled. All was well with the world.

Donuts.

Haha sounds familiar....but i wouldnt try that "250cc" on you....since CBR has ton of "1000" badges all over

[Edbear]

Stopped a bloke on a CBR1000 tonight, coz he was riding just a bit too aggressively in traffic.

No reg and no warrant. On a learners bike licence.

I'm a bike cop with a sense of humour, so I asked him how big the engine was on his bike. He started to tell me it was a 250, then he said that it was okay, as he had a learners licence which meant that he could ride a thousand cc bike 4 times.

He rode away with significantly less in fines than he was due, and we both smiled. All was well with the world.

Donuts.

I appreciate your sense of humour, mate, but wasn't that exactly the description Patrick gave of the majority of fatals he's attended...?