70kmh max for learners?

[porky]

Hey, you are superman, do the fuck what you want.

[DMNTD:Me]

Do you want my $20 bux or not?

Make it a $50 and I'll take it

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I'm using the L plate and riding at a comfortable speed. Haven't had any cars tailgating me yet. General duty cops probably won't give you a ticket for going over 70, just the highway patrol fuckstains you have to watch out for.

[MSTRS:Me]

General duty cops probably won't give you a ticket for going over 70, just the highway patrol fuckstains you have to watch out for.

And you tell them apart, how? Cars are all going Blue/Yellow.
Besides, there are very few snakes that actually 'enforce' the 70kph rule...like us, they mostly realise it's a fucking stupid, dangerous, past it's use-by rule and ignore it.

[Toaster]

If you ever get pulled over simply BECAUSE you were riding over 70kph on your learners, I'll give you $20.

Yes that would suck just a bit.... like a small octopus on my leg in the shallow end of a rock pool.

[Toaster]

Besides, there are very few snakes that actually 'enforce' the 70kph rule...like us, they mostly realise it's a fucking stupid, dangerous, past it's use-by rule and ignore it.

Agreed. It is a damn stupid law and one that (if riders decide to mix it up in 100km/h zones) puts riders and other road users at unnecessary risk.

One speed limit for all.

[Spazman727]

On my learners I used a (broken) l plate and went whatever the speed limit was, never had any trouble. However, I have seen some L platers doing some really stupid stuff on the motorway which I would expect that if a copper saw them, they would've been pulled over. And surely if the cop goes to the trouble of pulling you over, they would want to got you with everything they can. In other words, use l plate (so they can't give you a fine for that) do a safe speed for traffic conditions and don't do anything stupid (unless you're sure there are no cops )

[p.dath]

So am I right in deducing that you'd recommend I'd stay in my 5km (100km/h) culdesac that has minimal traffic until I feel super confident with the machine handling, and then leave my mothers womb into the big bad main road.

I assume you mean to go 100km/h however even though your blog says to wait the 6 months. Since 80% of the roads I drive on are 100km/h roads not being a townie. And I just don't really see that as being realistic. How will I drive on the motorway at 70km/h and not shit my pants.

Do you really feel that for a learner driving in a straight line at 100km/h that it's not worth the risk compared to going 70km/h with cars passing at 100-120km/h.

You asked for an opinion, and I offered it.

Yes, I would recommend starting in a quiet culdesac, and as your confidence grows move to busier and more demanding roads. You'll know when your not ready - because your feel fearful. If you feel fearful you need to spend more time on quieter roads until your confidence and skill does build.

And yes, I'd recommend sticking to the 70km/h restriction. If you can't safely ride on a 100km/h road because of the traffic volume or conditions - then don't *choose* to place yourself in that danger. *Choose* to ride on a safer stretch of road. Sometimes learner riders pedal out the line there is no where else safe to ride so they "have" to ride at 100km/h. No one is *forcing* you to exceed your licence restrictions, so don't make that choice. Some 100km/h roads can be ridden on safely at 70km/h. Locally we have a road called East Coast Bays road, and it has a stretch at 100km/h. I have taken several learners out on it. If cars come up behind us we simply pull over and let them pass - but we stick to their 70km/h restriction. We make that "choice".

Many riders don't get this - but rider attitude has a huge impact on safety. And rider attitude is all about choices.

It's your body. It's your mind. It's your bike. You choose.

[MSTRS:Me]

It's your body. It's your mind. It's your bike. You choose.

It's also one's choice to ignore a law that can be dangerous to observe.

[p.dath]

It's also one's choice to ignore a law that can be dangerous to observe.

Personally I see no danger in observing the law. Danger is created when you choose to put yourself in a position of risk that you can not mitigate.

But you are correct. You can choose to ignore any law initially. However ignoring some laws will result in your personal freedom (aka your right to choose) being removed.

[MSTRS:Me]

I can't think of any law that I would ignore because it is stupid and dangerous.
Except the 70kph one.

[p.dath]

I can't think of any law that I would ignore because it is stupid and dangerous.
Except the 70kph one.

Personal perception.

[MSTRS:Me]

Which is the ONLY reason it still exists. 'Enough' people buy into it, that the pollies/NZTA see no reason to rescind it.
Even licence testing around this issue is a joke. A learner is not allowed to exceed 70kph, but to sit the restricted licence one is tested on ability to do 100kph on an open road section.
Fucking two-faced ludicriousness...

[ducatilover]

I watched a learner rider the other day, I followed said learner and the rider in front of the L plater. They were doing the 70k rule and riding very sensibly. Only to be tail gated by a turd in a Camry, who eventually passed in a very dangerous place.
I followed said Camry driver and explained my thoughts on the issue, I explained that putting pressure on the rider where they cannot pull over safely then passing into a blind corner is generally stupid and that I was to put a report in about said numpty.

I dislike cagers who tailgate bikers, and vice versa.

The 70kp/h rule almost contributed to an accident there, but, it really would have been more the fault of the fuck-knuckle cager.

[imdying]

The rules are:
- you can't travel without an L Plate.
- you can't travel above 70km/hr.
- too slowly and you're driving inconsiderately

Therefore it seems clear that they you want you to mark yourself as a learner, and stay out of areas where the speed limit exceeds 70km/hr.

What should you do? Exactly what they want. Learn to ride your bike in <70km/hr zones, and then get your restricted license.

The law is not dangerous at all, just stay out of areas that you have not yet earnt the right to ride in. It's that fucking simple.