The instructions are simple...
I would almost never put the fault on the 70kph'er. But a rule that imposes a significantly slower speed on anyone leads to frustration for most and stupid shit from some. Remember, regardless of right/wrong...who gets hurt?Originally Posted by ducatilover
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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The instructions are simple...
Yes - it is. Dangerous, that is. Not everyone is blessed with an abundance of 70kph or under roads.
eg I live in Napier, I've just got my 6L, and I work in Hastings. I have a choice of 4 roads I can use to commute. ALL of them are 100kph.
Or Tirau/Putaruru. Or Cambridge/Hamilton. Or Waikanae/Paraparaumu. Or Inglewood/New Plymouth. Or or or.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Rider in training
The thing is, it doesn't matter weather you agree with the law or not, as a citizen you are required to comply with it (whether you choose to or not is another story). If you don't like the law then you need to partition the Government to change it - and if enough people support your view then a change will eventually happen. More than likely, enough people wont feel strongly about it, and will accept the status quo, and no change will occur.
Rider in training
No one is likely to get hurt unless they *choose* to place them self at risk. Choosing to ride at 70km/h in a place with 100km/h traffic that is busy is increasing the risk.
It's this simple. Simply don't choose to take that risk.
Forum whore
at the risk of giving every guy and girl in here a boner, you want some autobahns in NZ?
The instructions are simple...
I'd love to partition the govt
Thing is, those it applies to are few in number in the scheme of things, and of all the other motorists that it doesn't apply to, most don't feel very strongly (except at the time they are being inconvenienced). And they will be car drivers who prolly don't know about the bike-specific rules anyway.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Rider in training
The rural highways in Western Australia never used to have speed limits. The year they introduced a 100km/h limit (about 2 years ago from memory) the accident rate increased a drastic 30%.
The thinking is that before the limit was in place people "chose" to drive/ride at a pace that felt safe. Sometimes that was slower, sometimes it was faster. When the 100km/h limit was created it gave a false impression that the road network was now capable of those speeds - when in many places it was not.
The instructions are simple...
And? in NT as well. Proof that limits are dangerous. And that people are capable of thinking for themselves when left to it.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Forum whore
earn the right? i don't get that. what if you are forty years old, been riding cars etc for 20 to 25 years and never had a crash or anything in your life. why do you need to 'earn' the right to travel at 100kph on a motorbike? yeah sure some people will battle to pick up the skill to ride a motorbike more than others, but some will be comfortable riding a bike but on the daily commute to work in a 100k zone they have some big ass trucks catching up to you is very intimidating (even to my theoretical 40 year old pimp as driver).
try drive on the motorway at 70kph when you are next on a SH1 and see what it's like (with an L plate attached), not good at all.
anyway, i personally do not ride with an L plate when on the learner friendly WNR. i put it on if i am going to drive around town (when i remember). when i have the plate on, people tailgate a lot more even if i'm going 60 in a 50 etc compared to when I do not have my plate on the bike. drivers have a mentality of (i gotta get past this newbie) even around town.
Highway Biker
I got one ticket before, speeding (100, restricted to to 70!) and no L plate (loss of license territory now believe it or not!). While I was getting the ticket written up I asked the bike cop if he has ever been hit by a car. He said too many times. I asked him if he's ever been rear ended, he goes yeah many times at intersections, people always go woops where did you come from. Then I asked him if he'd still be here if it happened to be a SUV travelling at 100 and he was going 70.... I got told not to be cheeky and just received 30 demerits for no plate and $100 fine. I then always stuck the plate on and rode at 100km/h.
Forum whore
Basically, do whatever you feel is safe and right - you're old enough to choose for yourself. If it's currently illegal and you get caught, don't expect sympathy from anyone, especially not here, when you post about how the fine is bullshit and the cop was picking on your for no good reason
Rider in training
Check out my BLOG on this exact subject:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/en...-riding-skills
It's not about earning the right - you need to start from scratch because car driving skills don't convert to motorcycle riding skills.
Also note that there is legislation being considered now (which as I understand it is a done deal), that means neither your age nor your existing licence classes will be considered when getting a motorcycle test.
That means a 60 year old with a full class 1 for 45 years will have to do exactly the same test as a 15 year old with zero experience when getting their motorcycle licence.
I support the change.
The instructions are simple...
They aren't now. Except for the time on each stage. Which I am a bit ambivalent about anyway. One size does not fit all.
When I sat my test in 1973, the learner stage was known as 'provisional' and you could apply to sit a full test after 6 weeks. Or extend your p/permit if you didn't feel confident. 6 weeks was pretty short, I'll agree, and most people used the extension facility at least once. I didn't. And I passed. The test was admittedly a bit easier than these days. But I digress...the point is that everyone learns at different rates, and an inflexible regime penalises some. Extending minimum periods is not necessarily a good thing.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Forum whore
That's just tough shit for you then. In that case, you don't yet carry a license that lets you commute, you carry a license that lets you learn the skills you'll need when you start commuting.
Basically, it's exactly as if you had no license at all. You'll have to get to work the same way you did before you got your learners.
Big deal. The physical skills are mostly not transferable, so bad news chump, you're a noob again.
On the one hand, because when you have a little oopsy on a bike, you fuck yourself up, not just nudge a fence with your heart racing whilst thinking that was close. On the other, because it's the law.
News flash, we don't taylor laws to suit individuals. Don't like it, lobby to change it.
Here's something else you can try... using your brain and not riding where you aren't legally able to.
Or, you could just suck it up, do your time, get your full, and ride your bike whenever/wherever.
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