70kmh max for learners?

[yungatart]

The law in this case is an ass!
It is a stupid law that unnecesarily puts peoples' lives in danger.

I rode with my 'L' plate on, I did not abide by the 70 kph rule. My son was exactly the same.
Neither of us ever got stopped.

I would, however, advise most strongly against exceeding 100kph whilst on your learners. Most cops will be reasonable if you are too.

[Gibbo89]

News flash, we don't taylor laws to suit individuals. Don't like it, lobby to change it.

cheers for the news flash mate. i was sure that the govt 'taylors' laws for everyone individually.

Here's something else you can try... using your brain and not riding where you aren't legally able to.

i will continue to use my brain, but not in the way you would like me to. I await your post in the WNR thread demanding that the learners stop going over 70kph on those rides.

Or, you could just suck it up, do your time, get your full, and ride your bike whenever/wherever.

ps. i like how friendly and personable you are. i really do.

[Eyegasm]

If you ever get pulled over simply BECAUSE you were riding over 70kph on your learners, I'll give you $20.

I'll take it!

I was travelling out of Shannon at 100kph and was pulled over by a cop.

Cop: Do you know you were speeding?
Me: If you mean by the 70kph rule then yes, if you mean the 100kph then no
Cop: Just making sure you knew
Me: Cool.

That was it, no ticket or nothing. Ended up talking with him for 15 minutes while I finished my smoke.

I always have my L plate on and travel at the speed of traffic. On my own i'll just pootle at whatever I feel safe at.

[MSTRS:Me]

That's just tough shit for you then. In that case, you don't yet carry a license that lets you commute, you carry a license that lets you learn the skills you'll need when you start commuting.
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Here's something else you can try... using your brain and not riding where you aren't legally able to.

Since when did a 6L NOT allow me to commute? Or ride on a road at all?
Since when was it illegal to ride a bike on a 100kph road with any class 6 licence? I think you will find that having a licence allows you to ride on the road.

It is a condition of that 6L that says don't exceed 70kph. It is the rider's choice as to whether they adhere to that (risky), or find an alternative route with a 70 or under kph limit (not always a possibility), or indeed ride at the speed of the surrounding traffic (more prudent).

This is like arguing with an idiot.

[SPP]

Meh, bang on a plate and ride with traffic. Better still, paint a big arse L on your fluoro vest.

Unless you're riding like a twat or noob then most coppers won't give a toss either. Funny that.

[superman]

Mr p.dath

I do realise you like to follow legislation and believe that the government is always correct in all of it's glory. However as stated earlier, I live on a 100km/h road, you say just don't put yourself in that risk. Drive on a slower road?! The closest 50km/h road is 10km away! Unless you wish for me to shell out for a trailer, towbar etc and take my bike on it every time I want to ride. And even if I stay within my 5km culdesac, there is a logging truck each way quite consistently travelling at 100km/h around blind corners. So to be honest I would probably like to leave. I mean there isn't much traffic but those logging trucks can shed some big pieces of bark let me tell you.

If this 70km/h really fits well legislatively as you seem to think, and that we as learners just shouldn't put ourselves at risk by travelling on 100km/h roads. Then it hasn't really taken into consideration lots of rural New Zealanders who live on 100km/h roads has it!

[st00ji]

70k limit is antiquated and retarded, end of story.

[ducatilover]

Just do 100. You seem to want to, the internet won't stop you.

[imdying]

I await your post in the WNR thread demanding that the learners stop going over 70kph on those rides.

How other riders choose to ride is always their own business, but this guy asked the question.

ps. i like how friendly and personable you are. i really do.

I'll come down to the WNR when I've got some spare time and we can have a cuddle

Since when did a 6L NOT allow me to commute? Or ride on a road at all?

Since your imaginary person lives in a 100km/h section...

Since when was it illegal to ride a bike on a 100kph road with any class 6 licence?

Since driving grossly below the speed limit gets you a ticket for inconsiderate driving...

It is the rider's choice as to whether they adhere to that (risky), or find an alternative route with a 70 or under kph limit (not always a possibility), or indeed ride at the speed of the surrounding traffic (more prudent).

Obviously; they're the only one with their hand on the throttle.

This is like arguing with an idiot.

Harsh man, I don't think of you as an idiot.

70k limit is antiquated and retarded, end of story.

Given the state of the roads, the quality of bikes/tyres/brakes/chassis' these days, I would tend to agree with you.

[MSTRS:Me]

Arguing that a 6L does not legally entitle the holder to ride on any road, just makes a mockery of any reasonable argument you and p.dath might otherwise put forward.
Arguing that 'it is the law not to exceed 70kph' isn't an argument. It is blind adherence to stupidity. ie not thinking for oneself
If you meant 'safely' then I could grudgingly see your point...and still disagree.

[porky]

The rules are:
- you can't travel without an L Plate.
- you can't travel above 70km/hr.
- too slowly and you're driving inconsiderately

Therefore it seems clear that they you want you to mark yourself as a learner, and stay out of areas where the speed limit exceeds 70km/hr.

What should you do? Exactly what they want. Learn to ride your bike in <70km/hr zones, and then get your restricted license.

The law is not dangerous at all, just stay out of areas that you have not yet earnt the right to ride in. It's that fucking simple.

Yee Fucking Ha. Couldnt have put it better myself. For all you dip shits that have yet to experience a serious accident 30 kph makes a shit load of difference in the outcome when you impact a stationary object. The concept of the learner phase is to gain skills etc at a slower pace. This bollocks about "shitting ones self when traffic overtakes you" is something you need to deal with. What happens when you are doing 100 and some twat passes you at 120?? It happens. Ever ridden a push bike in a 100 kph zone???
Im thinking of starting a pole myself. Because my bike can comfortably exceed the open speed limit X 2 and i have 28 years of riding behind me, is it okay if i ride around at 160kph?
If i get enough people voting yes, i suppose that makes it okay!

[CM2005]

I watched a guy on a bike being overtaken by two 4wd's towing boats the other day, and thought, wow that 70km rule is ridiculous, wonder how many people get hurt while being overtaken like that. only time i used an L plate was on my restriced licence test, only got pulled up once about it, while i was maintaining 100km on the northern mway in auckland, and the cop just told me to go get one.

[st00ji]

Yee Fucking Ha. Couldnt have put it better myself. For all you dip shits that have yet to experience a serious accident 30 kph makes a shit load of difference in the outcome when you impact a stationary object. The concept of the learner phase is to gain skills etc at a slower pace. This bollocks about "shitting ones self when traffic overtakes you" is something you need to deal with. What happens when you are doing 100 and some twat passes you at 120?? It happens. Ever ridden a push bike in a 100 kph zone???
Im thinking of starting a pole myself. Because my bike can comfortably exceed the open speed limit X 2 and i have 28 years of riding behind me, is it okay if i ride around at 160kph?
If i get enough people voting yes, i suppose that makes it okay!

they dont tend to put stationary objects on the motorway chap

[McJim]

Ok Mr. EJK, I will ride with the L plate and go over 70km/h where appropriate. Your $20 will be much appreciated if I do get the fine. Though I agree with you that it would be very unlikely to be pulled over for that reason alone.

That's a poor bet - the fine is somat like $200 innit? I used my L plate the whole time I had my learner licence. I travelled at 100kph on the Southern Motorway in Auckland every day past heaps of police. Never been stopped, never rode like a cock though. I've heard of a lor of riders that ride like loonies and get pinged for stoopid driving and then they add the fine for breaking licence conditions after they've been stopped for all the other shit.

[MSTRS:Me]

Yee Fucking Ha. Couldnt have put it better myself. For all you dip shits that have yet to experience a serious accident 30 kph makes a shit load of difference in the outcome when you impact a stationary object. The concept of the learner phase is to gain skills etc at a slower pace. This bollocks about "shitting ones self when traffic overtakes you" is something you need to deal with. What happens when you are doing 100 and some twat passes you at 120?? It happens. Ever ridden a push bike in a 100 kph zone???
Im thinking of starting a pole myself. Because my bike can comfortably exceed the open speed limit X 2 and i have 28 years of riding behind me, is it okay if i ride around at 160kph?
If i get enough people voting yes, i suppose that makes it okay!

What a crock of....
Of course the faster you go, the bigger the (potential) mess. By the same token, the slower you go, the more likely it is you could be rammed or run off the road.
Your example of 'a twat passing you at 120' isn't really valid in the context of the learner speed rule. There will always be a few that don't do what every one else is doing. They're the ones that stand out and risk some sort of 'special attention'. This could be a ticket for speeding, or obstructing traffic, or being the battering ram, or the battee...
The point is, 99% of road users travel at or slightly below 100kph. Disruptions to that flow are dangerous. That is the only reason why I advise a learner to maintain the speed of the surrounding traffic.
If a learner is not feeling confident or competent enough to do this, then I'd advise them to stay away from 100kph roads if at all possible. At least the busy ones, anyway. If this is not possible, perhaps due to examples I gave in an earlier post, then one can only hope that the learner will not become a victim of this STUPID rule.