70kmh max for learners?

[p.dath]

The primary reason (in my personal opinion) for restricting users to 70km/h as opposed to 100km/h is not the size of the mess (as has been mentioned), but the increase in response time allowed.

Learners have not yet acquired automatic skills on a motorbike. They have to use a much larger section of their conscious brain to do things. Simply put, this requires more reaction time. And travelling at 70km/h gives them that increased reaction time.

[marie_speeds]

I am guilty of removing my plate on occassion. I am more cautious in some situations compared to others. I have been pulled over once on the NW motorway and told off for not having it on. The cop was fair and gave me a warning after listening to the reason I gave for justifying my actions.
IMHO it really depends on the day what you are doing, the flow of the traffic around you, road and weather conditions, exactly how fast you are going, time riding and of course......

the mood that the cop is in when he pulls you over.

[MSTRS:Me]

The primary reason (in my personal opinion) for restricting users to 70km/h as opposed to 100km/h is not the size of the mess (as has been mentioned), but the increase in response time allowed.

Learners have not yet acquired automatic skills on a motorbike. They have to use a much larger section of their conscious brain to do things. Simply put, this requires more reaction time. And travelling at 70km/h gives them that increased reaction time.

Finally! A reasoned response. But I still don't agree...
Sure, things happen quicker at a higher speed and require more concentration to process. Using your own argument against you, if learner and traffic are travelling at the same speed, the learner is not having to also deal with impatient motorists doing silly shit around/past them. Which frees up part of what they must concentrate on.

[imdying]

Arguing that a 6L does not legally entitle the holder to ride on any road, just makes a mockery of any reasonable argument you and p.dath might otherwise put forward.

I don't see why, it is a bit of a grey area... you are legally entitled to ride on any road, but on roads that have a speed limit of over 70km/hr, you run the risk of copping a ticket for inconsiderate drivnig.

Arguing that 'it is the law not to exceed 70kph' isn't an argument. It is blind adherence to stupidity. ie not thinking for oneself

No, that simply isn't true. Dreaming up reasons why you think this guy should break the law simply because you disagree with said law... now that is stupidity itself. Not acknowledging the intent of the law is raise the stupidity bar even higher. There is a reason for it being in place (regardless of whether you in your infinite wisdom believe that reasoning to be outdated), and it is in place. Telling this guy he should definitely go and break that law, more stupidity... Really, all things considered, almost everything you have spouted in this thread is complete stupidity.

[imdying]

Using your own argument against you, if learner and traffic are travelling at the same speed, the learner is not having to also deal with impatient motorists doing silly shit around/past them. Which frees up part of what they must concentrate on.

Yep, which they can do in areas with a limit of 70km/hr or less for three months till they get their restricted (or whatever the current rules are).

[sunhuntin]

The primary reason (in my personal opinion) for restricting users to 70km/h as opposed to 100km/h is not the size of the mess (as has been mentioned), but the increase in response time allowed.

Learners have not yet acquired automatic skills on a motorbike. They have to use a much larger section of their conscious brain to do things. Simply put, this requires more reaction time. And travelling at 70km/h gives them that increased reaction time.

following that argument, should learner car drivers also be restricted to 70k?

[imdying]

following that argument, should learner car drivers also be restricted to 70k?

There is a certain amount of logic in that for sure. Also restrict them to cars that can't accelerate too fast, for the same reason.

It's a shame we can't all just relax and enjoy life a bit more, problem solved


Gibbo, was that you a talked to last night at the Carlton Corner lights? Zeal with a little bit of fading on the plastic scoop at the side of the tank?

[MSTRS:Me]

I don't see why, it is a bit of a grey area... you are legally entitled to ride on any road, but on roads that have a speed limit of over 70km/hr, you run the risk of copping a ticket for inconsiderate drivnig.

No, that simply isn't true. Dreaming up reasons why you think this guy should break the law simply because you disagree with said law... now that is stupidity itself. Not acknowledging the intent of the law is raise the stupidity bar even higher. There is a reason for it being in place (regardless of whether you in your infinite wisdom believe that reasoning to be outdated), and it is in place. Telling this guy he should definitely go and break that law, more stupidity... Really, all things considered, almost everything you have spouted in this thread is complete stupidity.

Yep, which they can do in areas with a limit of 70km/hr or less for three months till they get their restricted (or whatever the current rules are).

Have another read of posts 60 and 63.

[MSTRS:Me]

There is a certain amount of logic in that for sure. Also restrict them to cars that can't accelerate too fast, for the same reason.

Agreed. A learner is still a learner, regardless of vehicle type...if the speed/concentration/reaction time-thing argument is to fly.

[Gibbo89]

Gibbo, was that you a talked to last night at the Carlton Corner lights? Zeal with a little bit of fading on the plastic scoop at the side of the tank?

Nah mate, wasn't me. I hope you didn't unleash on him thinking it was me lol. My zeal is the same color as in that wee avatar thing, mine has no fading on it.
She just needs her seat recovered

[Gibbo89]

I love how these threads get into heated discussions, probably to the point where the OP fella has probably quit KB

Tonight on the WNR (if the weather doesn't ruin it) I am going to contemplate wearing my L plate and keep up with the bike in front of me.

Yes I'm technically a bad ass for going faster than 70kph (once a week, on Wednesdays). But I also enjoy riding with fellow bikers and do not want to be the one or two at the back who can only go 70kph. I do not find going 100kph daunting on my bike, I do not speed into corners at the limits of my bike (never scraped the pegs ).

But the way I view it is, if I am doing nothing wrong without my L plate i.e. going 100kph and not doing stupid shit, compared to having my L plate on, not doing stupid shit and going 100kph. What is likely to attract more attention?

[imdying]

Have another read of posts 60 and 63.

They were idiotic the first time round, I have no reason to believe that has changed?

Nah mate, wasn't me. I hope you didn't unleash on him thinking it was me lol.

Nah, we just enjoyed biking together briefly at a set of lights

Tonight on the WNR (if the weather doesn't ruin it) I am going to contemplate wearing my L plate and keep up with the bike in front of me.

But the way I view it is, if I am doing nothing wrong without my L plate i.e. going 100kph and not doing stupid shit, compared to having my L plate on, not doing stupid shit and going 100kph. What is likely to attract more attention?

For sure, it's your personal choice. You might get a ticket for it, but that was your personal choice too.

[Gibbo89]

For sure, it's your personal choice. You might get a ticket for it, but that was your personal choice too.

was? you make it sound like it's a definite thing haha. are you a copper in your spare time or something?

[imdying]

was? you make it sound like it's a definite thing haha. are you a copper in your spare time or something?

If you get a ticket, then it's a was.

I don't necessarily believe the law it setup well the way it is, but currently, it's still the law. Given that, it is irresponsible for us to advise learners to ignore it. It's beyond egotistically arrogant for a site riding mentor to advise learners to actively break the law.

[Gibbo89]

If you get a ticket, then it's a was.

I don't necessarily believe the law it setup well the way it is, but currently, it's still the law. Given that, it is irresponsible for us to advise learners to ignore it. It's beyond egotistically arrogant for a site riding mentor to advise learners to actively break the law.

ooo I see, the mentor in you is what's spurring you on to debate this so hotly.

Are you sure you do not want to be egotistically arrogant? I bet you it's pretty tempting.