Cyclist accidents v motorcycle accidents

[danchop]

$1.1 billion??? thats probably more than they spent on maori claims,and we call them freeloading pricks

[neels]

What is the issue is that we're treated like naughty children and second class road users whereas cyclists and their concerns are taken seriously.

I agree completely.

Whenever a cyclist gets killed, cyclists riding in an antisocial manner and/or on inappropriate roads bleat about how the government needs to improve driver attitudes and improve roads, but when a motorcyclist gets taken out by a car driver (I almost have myself) and it's their fault because motorbikes are dangerous.

It's horseshit really.

[Katman]

But when motorcyclists die on the road, motorcyclists get the blame, especially from other motorcyclists.

You're a fucking moron.

Motorcyclists have worked themselves into a position whereby the vast majority of motorcycle accidents are viewed by the general public with an "Oh well, they probably brought it upon themselves" attitude.

You however, seem to think you can change the world without conceding anything.

You're a fucking moron (or did I say that already?).

[Wannabiker]

Well November is open season for cyclists...its when 10 000 of them get off their asses and train for the round lake Taupo ride race. All types and skill levels. You may have noticed a larger than normal amount of them on the road over the last month...combine that with the warm fine weather we have had lately......

Having said that...it is the overtaking vehicles responsibility to do so in a safe manner....and that is precisely why I no longer represent NZ as a cyclist!! To many close calls. Knocked off from behind, riding alone And a week in hospital a month later from hitting a car door...(the safer option than going under the wheels of the overtaking vehicle.

ACC?? 4 bikes, 2 cars, a trailer, and employee levies...I pay my share, as do most cyclists.

[mattian]

You're a fucking moron.

You're a fucking moron (or did I say that already?).

And let the games begin................

[RiderInBlack]

Sure, most crashes are preventable by the rider concerned, but then so are most pushbike crashes, and the cycling bodies accept that. The difference is that instead of cyclists trying to be even more defensive and finding even more creative ways to take the blame for what is, frequently, the poor driving of other road users and poor roads, they're demanding that other people also change their behaviour. Take the chick who swerved around an opening car door and got run over by a truck.

if she had been a motorcyclist she would have been blamed for not knowing the car door was going to be opened, for not riding on the footpath, for not braking instead of going around or for not hitting the door in preference to being run over by the truck. Instead the cycling community have demanded the road get changed and condemned car drivers who don't look in their mirrors before they open their doors.

How many noticed in the clip on Campell exactly where that accident occured that there was a Cycle only lane on the footpath, which had she used this instead of the road her life may have been saved.

[shrub]

I agree completely.

Whenever a cyclist gets killed, cyclists riding in an antisocial manner and/or on inappropriate roads bleat about how the government needs to improve driver attitudes and improve roads, but when a motorcyclist gets taken out by a car driver (I almost have myself) and it's their fault because motorbikes are dangerous.

It's horseshit really.

And we do ourselves no favours. My good friend Katman has his heart in the right place, but by banging on about how dangerous motorcyclists are is no friend to motorcycling because TPTB then have every right to say "bikes are dangerous - see, even motorcyclists think that bike crashes are the fault of the rider and nobody else".

In essence we have NOBODY arguing our case and everybody arguing against us whereas cyclists are smart enough and have the balls to stand up for themselves. It's a sad day when cyclists are the ballsy ones and motorcyclists are the whiny PC ones.

[shrub]

How many noticed in the clip on Campell exactly where that accident occured that there was a Cycle only lane on the footpath, which had she used this instead of the road her life may have been saved.

If cyclists behaved like we do she would be being blamed completely for the crash by fellow cyclists.

[RiderInBlack]

If cyclists behaved like we do she would be being blamed completely for the crash by fellow cyclists.

Aye and Slippery Nick Myth would have used that against them. And that's what right fu*ks me off. How do we fight the media imbalance?

[Maha]

Cyclists need to lookout for themselves, pretty much the same way as we do on bikes.
On any weekend day or even early evening, I have seen a palleton of 15+ bikes on Tamaki dr riding two abreast mostly, and of cause, its in the cyclists handbook of knowledge that pedestrians give way to cyclists and red traffic lights mean nothing.

[Katman]

On any weekend day or even early evening, I have seen a palleton of 15+ bikes on Tamaki dr riding two abreast mostly, and of cause, its in the cyclists handbook of knowledge that pedestrians give way to cyclists and red traffic lights mean nothing.

Change the odd word here and there and you have motorcyclist's problem in a nutshell.

[McJim]

I have a perfect solution. Licences for cyclists. Everyone must pass a test to ride a bicycle on the road. Everyone must spend a year on a bicycle before they are allowed to apply for a moped licence. Everyone must spend a year on a moped licence before they can apply for a motorcycle licence. Everyone must spend a year on a motorcycle before they can apply for a car licence.

That way the cyclists will become trained and educated AND the motorised public will actually be aware of the vulnerable road users.

Job done :

[chasio]

Sure, most crashes are preventable by the rider concerned, but then so are most pushbike crashes, and the cycling bodies accept that.

Do you have a source for that statement?

[BBQ sauce would be more appropriate than a quotable source - bring on the flames]

[shrub]

Aye and Slippery Nick Myth would have used that against them. And that's what right fu*ks me off. How do we fight the media imbalance?

By not bending over and telling the world that we are the problem.

Sure, ultimately my choices determine my safety and I can't control what other people do, so I need to ride defensively, but I see no reason not to demand that road conditions and the behaviour of other road users get adressed when they impact on my safety.

[Maha]

If cyclists behaved like we do she would be being blamed completely for the crash by fellow cyclists.

Fellow cyclists were on the news tonight blaming thier own for the way some conduct themselves while riding....damn, I've left myself wide open for Katman again aint I?....