Cyclist accidents v motorcycle accidents

[Katman]

but I see no reason not to demand that road conditions and the behaviour of other road users get adressed when they impact on my safety.

That's right, it's always someone else's fault.

What a fucking loser.

[Oakie]

... whereas they haven't figured out how to impose a user-pays system for pedal-powered road-using devices.

Perhaps a one off $20 as part of the purchase price on any brand new bike. Of course we'd have to sell 50 million (approx) bikes per annum to meet the annual cost.

[Fatt Max]

For the record, I am not allowed to ride a pushbike.

Something to do with a fat arse, galloping piles and lycra...

[neels]

For the record, I am not allowed to ride a pushbike.

Something to do with a fat arse, galloping piles and lycra...

I'd consider that a good thing.

Whereas my arse looks great in lycra shorts, so I'll keep wearing them and riding my bike.

[shrub]

Do you have a source for that statement?

[BBQ sauce would be moer appriopriate - bring on the flames]

Chilli sauce works for me.

It's common sense - most crashes are the outcome of a series of events and conditions, and changing those phenomena and conditions change the probability of the event occurring. Typically a bike crash is influenced to a greater or lesser extent by some or all of:

1. rider skill
2. Rider attitude
3. Machine condition
4. Road condition
5. Other road user behaviour
6. Weather conditions
7. Rider behaviour
8. Rider condition (tiredness, sobriety, fitness etc)

Some can be influenced by the rider, some can't, and some of the ones that can't can be mitigated against (not riding in the rain or on bad roads). If we take the model to its extreme we would only ever ride on perfect closed roads with a man walking in front of us with a red flag, and the only road fatalities would be people dropping dead.

The same applies to driving, cycling, walking and mobility scootering.

[Maha]

You're a fucking moron.

You're the whiney PC homo.

What a fucking loser.

Such terms of endearment.....

[Katman]

Chilli sauce works for me.

It's common sense - most crashes are the outcome of a series of events and conditions, and changing those phenomena and conditions change the probability of the event occurring. Typically a bike crash is influenced to a greater or lesser extent by some or all of:

1. rider skill
2. Rider attitude
3. Machine condition
4. Road condition
5. Other road user behaviour
6. Weather conditions
7. Rider behaviour
8. Rider condition (tiredness, sobriety, fitness etc)

Some can be influenced by the rider, some can't, and some of the ones that can't can be mitigated against (not riding in the rain or on bad roads). If we take the model to its extreme we would only ever ride on perfect closed roads with a man walking in front of us with a red flag, and the only road fatalities would be people dropping dead.

The same applies to driving, cycling, walking and mobility scootering.

Interesting that of the eight points you raised, 5 of them are directly attributable to the motorcyclist.

[shrub]

Such terms of endearment.....

He calls it debate.

[shrub]

Interesting that of the eight points you raised, 5 of them are directly attributable to the motorcyclist.

You're catching on! Well done my lad, well done.

[Sis]

I see the overall issue is the safety on our roads and it is getting worse.

As a motorbike rider I train and try to stay ahead of the game to keep myself safe. Trying to stay alive is a great incentive for training and education.

Car drivers ( who generally don't do any updating of skills once they have gained their full license) are cocooned in their soft armchair with airbags, soft music, and ambient room temperature. Asleep yet? Well, most of the car drivers are!

So when is the government going to wake up to the fact that the common denominator are uneducated car drivers and do something about it.

[Katman]

He calls it debate.

No, I call it a statement of fact.

[Oakie]

Now hang on. Correct me if I'm wrong but the news item tonight reported $1.1 billion ACC cost for cycle accidents at about 4500 accidents per annum. That works out to $222,222 (like nearly a quarter million per accident). Doesn't sound right does it? The 1.1 billion probably includes ongoing costs from 20 year old accidents but jeez ... still sounds bloody high. Surely the ACC aren't playing games with the figures...

[Fatt Max]

I want my mum......

[BMWST?]

WTF, user pays and pays and pays (ad infinitum) is a well established principal. I pay for work and recreation and motor vehicle and motorcycle (which happens to be both recreation and motor vehicle). Why should treadlys be given special treatment?

careful...what you are proposing is exactly the situation with the ACC and motorcyclists that we all find so unfair.
Every worker, every motorist, every motorcyclist pays into the ACC fund which is the ACC pool for all......heard that argument before?

[pearlygirl]

So if cyclists end up having to register their bicycles does that mean that little Timmy riding to school every morning needs to apply for a licence? It's a bit retarded if you expect someone should have to pay registration for a fucking pushbike..

No as long as "little Timmy" isn't riding in a 100 k zone and isnt expecting trucks and cars to give way to him whilst he is wearing a Lycra tee shirt and a flimsy helmet designed to protect cyclist from 50km/per hr accidents!