Cyclist accidents v motorcycle accidents

[steve_t]

Overall I think it helps in town centres but its a bit like all the safety devices in cars
it makes the driver more passive in their responsibility of managing risk...
ABS= don't need following distance
Front airbags= cant get hurt overtaking
Side airbags=don't need patience waiting to pull out
Traction control= don't need to slow for corners

Is that right? I don't think a lot of people tailgating think it's OK to be closer because they have ABS but I'd love to see a study prove me wrong. I'm sure they just think they'll never crash

[MSTRS:Me]

I think people tailgate because they have no idea of stopping distances. Or they think their reactions are up to it.
Or, and this is a biggie, they do it 'so that bastard behind me can't squeeze into the gap, meaning I'm one car back from what I was'.

[Voltaire]

I have noticed that I get tailgated more in an old car doing 100kmph that a modern one.

[Spearfish]

Is that right? I don't think a lot of people tailgating think it's OK to be closer because they have ABS but I'd love to see a study prove me wrong. I'm sure they just think they'll never crash

Maybe maybe not, but fear of injury is better at policing than policing,(generally) the more bullet proof cars become the more remote from "driving" operators of cars become.

Hey this is a bike forum don't defend cars!! (insert sarcasm widget here)

[shrub]

Hey this is a bike forum don't defend cars!! (insert sarcasm widget here)

Isn't that what KB is all about though?

[baptist]

Cyclists and Bikers now cars (and defending them).... are we a little off the point? who knows maybe, it may be time for some more really big hats to help focus our attention but then again I may just have to say Ni!

[steve_t]

Isn't that what KB is all about though?

Sarcasm?

[baptist]

Sarcasm?

(guessed that, just wanted more big hats)

[Berries]

It seems a few cyclists have been bowled and killed on the road recently.
Whats the bet those fuckers in parliament throw money at this problem rather than screwing cyclists over like motorcyclists have been, for essentially the same reason.

Looks like this could be part of the solution -

Already one of the most bike-friendly cities in the world -- with 63 miles of bicycle lanes and events like the monthly Critical Mass -- San Francisco is now going one step further. Effective immediately, all city stop signs will hereby be considered "go" signs for cyclists.

"From here on out, if you're on a bike and you come to a 'stop' sign, just continue to zip on through as though there were no one else on the road," said Gary Roloff, director of the SF Metropolitan Transportation Commission. "Basically, do what you've always done."

Cyclists in the city hailed the announcement as long overdue.

http://www.headlineshirts.net/go-sign-t-shirt.html

[Tink]

2 abreast? Holy crap! They were 4 abreast on the Old North Road the other day, there was a car on the wrong side of the road overtaking them on a corner leaving no room for me on MY side of the road. You can see why people get angry and then do stupid things

Easily solved, tail gate the bikers, on your horn until they move over, make the whole world aware they are in the way and not doing the minimum speed limit of 70km on the open road, then on your plate have, when you pass them have a sticker saying "Get a engine cyclists, or move over" and slow them down by getting in their way....

[Berries]

........and not doing the minimum speed limit of 70km on the open road...........

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