The "New Zealand Riders Are Voters" campaign

[Katman]

Well that seems to work for most successful lobby groups. They are hardly likely to change their thinking if we are being nice to them now are they.

I would suggest that until the likes of BRONZ and MAG-NZ publically state that they are totally supportive of the idea of motorcyclists cleaning up their own backyard, the powers that be will continue to laugh their arses off at us.

[bogan]

I would suggest that until the likes of BRONZ and MAG-NZ publically state that they are totally supportive of the idea of motorcyclists cleaning up their own backyard, the powers that be will continue to laugh their arses off at us.

That comes under 'personal action' this thread is about a 'national action', specifically to the politicians. If you got specific ideas for local or national action to 'clean up our own backyard', we do have a members forum for that (however you will likely be conscripted into doing plenty of the work!).

[Mom]

For me personally the complete arogance of these MP's beggars belief. When I write to them I expect to get some sort of response, not just an acknowlegement of receipt. Sure, my questions may been a little bit tricky and may have to have been answered carefully to avoid being shown up as a know nothing, trot out the propoganda puppet, but to simply ignore me is unforgivable.

The delivery of coal this year is going to outweigh the oranges, lucky I have a BIG bag of it

These MP's need to understand and know that the people put them where they are, the people can just as easily remove them. Bikers Are Voters.

[Katman]

Bikers Are Voters.

Probably only about 2% of voters though.

[Mom]

Probably only about 2% of voters though.

Ah, but how many votes can we influence? You only need 5% to get a seat in the house these days.

[Katman]

Ah, but how many votes can we influence? You only need 5% to get a seat in the house these days.

Trouble is Anne, voting in a Government is something that most people consider sufficiently important that they will be unlikely to base their vote on a single issue.

I seriously doubt you will even get all motorcyclists to base their vote solely on the fact that they ride a motorcycle.

[James Deuce]

Bald Eagle's suggestion is on the money. SOMETHING like that.

Get a promise from a party that they'll table bill amending the ACC Act and they get votes. They don't have to get the amendment passed, they simply need to table it after writing it in consultation with MAG and BRONZ.

At the risk of upsetting Mr Stoney and Ms. Mom, you need to have a very stable platform for the soapbox. Bikers have to like the idea, and the politicians you lobby have to be willing. Both parties have to be principled enough to FOLLOW THROUGH.

I still hear of people casting an electorate vote and a party vote for the same damn party, so I have NO confidence that bikers will amend their voting habits.

[bogan]

Trouble is Anne, voting in a Government is something that most people consider sufficiently important that they will be unlikely to base their vote on a single issue.

I seriously doubt you will even get all motorcyclists to base their vote solely on the fact that they ride a motorcycle.

Oh I dunno, how many votes did labour get when they did the interest free student loan thing? (though they lost mine with such blatant vote buying). Sure most people won't vote for retards (well relatively) cos of one good issue, but there is always one that tips the scales

[GOONR]

As BRONZ Federation Spokesperson (and generally noisy b****rd) it's with great pleasure I can say that the Federation and its member bodies support this campaign, in principle and spirit.

BRONZ congratulates MAG-NZ on a great initiative, and will share advertising and publicity resources to promote this drive, to remind New Zealand Motorcyclists that they are indeed voters

If all Motorcyclists get onboard, and affect even 3 or 4 electorate results, we could see a couple of Triumph owners in cabinet next year.........

Thanks for your support, it is appreciated

[archie-no2]

Parties want to say, that they will make a difference to their country. If bikers put forward an idea that a politician can steal and claim as their own idea because it will help them get into parliment then we should give them something to act on. For example, 'improving Rider training' could be the politicians new initiative, this should lower road accidents, injuries, fatalities and in turn lower acc costs. This means that the politician feels they have made a difference to society and bikers also benefit. But it will also have equal terms where we help them to get in and they help us...

Am i thinking along approiate lines or am i completely on the wrong track?

[GOONR]

Well here's my single thing. No differential policies for motorcycles.

That means levies, licensing, roading policy, enforcement and any other government activities which currently treat us differently because of the transport we use.

Riders Are voters & Riders are equal citizens.

Sounds like a reasonable single thing to me.

[Maha]

Parties want to say, that they will make a difference to their country. If bikers put forward an idea that a politician can steal and claim as their own idea because it will help them get into parliment then we should give them something to act on. For example, 'improving Rider training' could be the politicians new initiative, this should lower road accidents, injuries, fatalities and in turn lower acc costs. This means that the politician feels they have made a difference to society and bikers also benefit. But it will also have equal terms where we help them to get in and they help us...

Am i thinking along approiate lines or am i completely on the wrong track?

In a nutshell, all we have do to is plant the seed. By that I mean, table an idea/initiative that we want to see happen , make it look like its thier idea/initiative, and there it is.
Sounds all to easy when put like that but it really can be that easy.

[StoneY]

Parties want to say, that they will make a difference to their country. If bikers put forward an idea that a politician can steal and claim as their own idea because it will help them get into parliment

Am i thinking along approiate lines or am i completely on the wrong track?

Hit the nail on its head mate.

But, just like BRONZ/MAG etc I don't give a toss who claims the credit for a good thing, as long as we get better treatment

I have meetings with several politicians before the end of December (and I am talking party leaders/co leaders) and I will be making sure they know there are 100,000 motorcycle licenses in voters pockets, what are they going to promise us, and how will we MAKE them keep said promise if/when in power

This campaign adds to the work BRONZ does, it shows other representative groups are aiming for the same goals, equality as road users, and tax paying citizens

BRONZ will not participate in any illegal or public disruption, but bet your last dollar we have never, and will never, stop pounding on Parliaments door to say 'Oi, we aint gone away yet Nick!'

[StoneY]

For me personally the complete arogance of these MP's beggars belief. When I write to them I expect to get some sort of response, not just an acknowlegement of receipt.

That's why I go knock on the door and hassle the EA/PA till I get my legally required 15 minutes Anne

[Quasievil]

The New Zealand Bikers Party

Start that, I will vote for it the other parties are useless as far as looking after my interests.