Hayabusa

[marty]

having had a couple of buses and a couple of litre v-twins, both are vastly different types and riding styles.

my next big bore will be a v-tiwn - just for the sound and delivery. the bus is almost too easy to ride - it just does whatever you want, whenever you want it, and in an instant. a gixxer/r1/zx10 etc will give you plenty of speed and cornering ability and will do everything the bus will do and more probably, but each to their own

if your old man wants a busa, tell him to buy one. it's highly unlikely he'll be disappointed. if he bails at 200km/h does it matter if he's on a busa or a ducati or anything else? at around 2/3rds of it's top speed, i know which bike i'd rather be on.

[300weatherby]

In the SOUTH, we have real roads with real hills and corners, paradise squared!

I am considered old by young puppy Rossi wannabies, but two up on my 06 Busa I can stay with or get away from, anyone I want, on whatever they ride, in the tight twisty stuff, uphill or down, and do it Safely! (that comment excludes those who have no grasp of the boundries of the real limits of fast in the real world- odd that we never see those guys on the track....) Learn correct line selection, learn the dynamics of your bike, learn to set up your suspension, learn to control your visual perception and select brake and turn markers on the fly and it does not matter what you ride. (Harlies excluded...)

Some on Busas are straight line merchants with no cornering skills,NOT THE BIKES FAULT!, but they can be found on R1's, ZX10's, and pretty much anything else with two wheels also.

When you understand the bike, the Busa handles. Nothing will ever save the Massy Davidson tractor though.

Coming back to bikes after a long layoff (as in the start of this thread), the bike is not the factor, it is the willingness to understand bikes have changed and the skills or experience you thought you had, is no longer relevant and you need to relearn everything about riding- most of all, JUDGEMENT!.

[Mudfart]

wow you really like being lectured.
want my missus? shes knows nothing, as proven over 1 million times, but thinks she knows everything, apparently, which has yet to be made evident.

[gatch]

I just think im getting a little over-confident on bikes and i thought the 750 would go far better it did.

Last time I heard that, a guy died shortly after.

Stick to your 250 for life if your nuts are bigger than your brain.

[Nzpure]

Last time I heard that, a guy died shortly after.

Stick to your 250 for life if your nuts are bigger than your brain.

Mate, 250 still goes plenty fast enough to kill me. You would have been better to tell me to stay away from bikes but then again that would never happen either

[Morepower]

Dis not read all the answers .... get the Bus , great bike , handle well comfy for trips , small engines = small power and I am of the opinion that a powerful bike is safer than an underpowered one.
You can go 160 kmh on a 250 , 70 kmh can kill you easily .. simple ... bikes are unsafe at any speed . get what is right .

[Nzpure]

Dis not read all the answers .... get the Bus , great bike , handle well comfy for trips , small engines = small power and I am of the opinion that a powerful bike is safer than an underpowered one.
You can go 160 kmh on a 250 , 70 kmh can kill you easily .. simple ... bikes are unsafe at any speed . get what is right .

Well said that man!

[Gremlin]

Except a busa will do the 160 in 1st, and quicker than your brain can actually comprehend. When people say you can't handle it, they're trying to say you don't have the skills for when it goes wrong, nor the brain capacity to calculate the speed etc.

Its hard to explain that a big bike will lose traction in the wet in 5th or 6th, doing 80-100kph, just because you opened the throttle a bit, or ran over a white line while changing lane.

[Marmoot]

To quote what my brother said when he changed up from cbr6 to cbr1k, the "1k is more thinking than the 6. While with 6 you can go all out everywhere [context: on the backroad twisties] and simply brake if you overspeed into a corner, the 1k is less forgiving. Braking midcorner is not as easy due to the higher speeds everywhere and compounded by the added weight and less speed sensation [i.e., you feel you're going slower than what you are doing] while the tyre limitations remain similar".

That is exactly why sudden jump from 250 to 1.3k can be very dangerous if you don't have the mental patience and respect for the bigger one to treat it with utmost care for the first year or so you're on it. Not impossible, but definitely requires a lot more care. That's where the rider's attitude and personality comes to play.

[Nzpure]

Well i personally think braking mid corner is probably a bad idea anyways and here's a tip every now and again dart your eyes at your speedo, It only takes a milli second and you will know exactly what speed your doing. It will save all those needless speeding tickets.
And to all those people who say its too dangerous to look at your speedo, so's coming into a 35km rated corner at 130km/h. Its easy, if you don't know the bike,don't push it.If you don't know the road,don't push it. If the weather conditions don't suit, don't push it. If your skill isn't up to it don't push it. Simple use your brain, you can avoid alot of dangerous situations.

[Katman]

Well i personally think braking mid corner is probably a bad idea anyways and here's a tip every now and again dart your eyes at your speedo, It only takes a milli second and you will know exactly what speed your doing. It will save all those needless speeding tickets.
And to all those people who say its too dangerous to look at your speedo, so's coming into a 35km rated corner at 130km/h. Its easy, if you don't know the bike,don't push it.If you don't know the road,don't push it. If the weather conditions don't suit, don't push it. If your skill isn't up to it don't push it. Simple use your brain, you can avoid alot of dangerous situations.

Maybe there's hope for you yet.

[Gremlin]

Maybe there's hope for you yet.

Just wait till he gets on, and starts riding it...

People that have only ridden a 250 truly can't comprehend the ability of the bike, even if you're careful.

Reminds me of that thread with the guy that bought a ZX10R for Waiheke. He said he would keep it under the limit etc, but then admitted I was correct. First slightly open area, he went over the limit easily, without really wanting to, but he gave in to the power

[Marmoot]

Well i personally think braking mid corner is probably a bad idea anyways

Not saying it's a good idea either. I was talking about the emergency ones.
Like in a decreasing-radius corner that catches you unaware, for example. Yes, that does happen from time to time. Maybe not that often, but it does happen and we normally only need ONE f**k up to crash really.

Meaning, the bigger bikes increase the odds of crashing (or margin-of-error envelope) due to the increased speed envelope (takes less time to go that fast, average speed would be faster, goes faster for the same feel as if you're on a smaller bike, etc etc) if you don't really know what you're doing.

P.S.
I don't know what I'm doing here talking about that. Sorry about that. I'll stop now.
Get what you want, really. Just be careful, that's all.
If you crash, you're spoiling it for everyone. We always get tarred with the same brush.
Just remember, power corrupts.
And absolute power absolutely corrupts.

[nadroj]

Busa owners rule No1: Respect it, and because it can't respect you back respect it double!

Even after 6 years on the Busa (97k) it is still very easy to arrive at a corner quicker than anticipated.

[gatch]

Just wait till he gets on, and starts riding it...

People that have only ridden a 250 truly can't comprehend the ability of the bike, even if you're careful.

Reminds me of that thread with the guy that bought a ZX10R for Waiheke. He said he would keep it under the limit etc, but then admitted I was correct. First slightly open area, he went over the limit easily, without really wanting to, but he gave in to the power

I test rode a 97 tls a few years ago, while my everyday ride was a honda spada (250cc). It was like drugs without taking drugs. 4-5x the HP and about 1.5x the mass of the spada. Not a rocketship by any means but by far the fastest thing I'd ever ridden.

I'm glad I didn't get approved for the loan, else I'd probably have died before I could pay it back. The sudden acceleration is simply intoxicating. I can only imagine what a new busa would be like.