National opens ACC to private sector

[Fatt Max]

"..final decisions will occur after the 2011 election." I'd say that's very fair - feel free to vote against it

And I will mate, but for who is the big question.

Im going on the evolution of privatisation through the years. It has always ended up turning to shite and only a select few really getting anything out of it.

Plus, the present government has always denied that they would do this, and hey presto.

I am against the governments plans for ACC, I am against the privatisation of ACC, I am against finance companies getting rich of the back off this action and the insurance council saying that it will improve workplace safety standards is a load of bollocks. I am a qualified OH&S auditor, inspector and creditor. I know workplace safety and I know just how robbing bastard insurance companies can dilute the quality of what is provided and paid out on.

But hey, what the fuck do I know right..? I play music, ride a bike and have been involved in all levels of workplace safety for 25 years

So why dont I jsut shut my fucking mouth and let this and evey other lying, robbing, bastard government ride roughshot over me.....

No fucking way mate, no fucking way.......I have my belief and I am sticking to and will fight for them.

Thanks mate for reminding me why I despise politicians

[Winston001]

...... these bastards want to make money out of.

So you are a committed communist Max?? Profits are evil? You give your own labour freely without payment?






Its funny how folk roil long and hard against anyone else earning money but zealously grasp it for themselves.

[Oscar]

And I will mate, but for who is the big question.

Im going on the evolution of privatisation through the years. It has always ended up turning to shite and only a select few really getting anything out of it.

Plus, the present government has always denied that they would do this, and hey presto.

I am against the governments plans for ACC, I am against the privatisation of ACC, I am against finance companies getting rich of the back off this action and the insurance council saying that it will improve workplace safety standards is a load of bollocks. I am a qualified OH&S auditor, inspector and creditor. I know workplace safety and I know just how robbing bastard insurance companies can dilute the quality of what is provided and paid out on.

But hey, what the fuck do I know right..? I play music, ride a bike and have been involved in all levels of workplace safety for 25 years

So why dont I jsut shut my fucking mouth and let this and evey other lying, robbing, bastard government ride roughshot over me.....

No fucking way mate, no fucking way.......I have my belief and I am sticking to and will fight for them.

Thanks mate for reminding me why I despise politicians

I still don't understand. Both you and the other poster can't seem to actually come up with a reason why this won't work. It's been done before and went OK.

As for the Govt. lying - it was in their election manifesto.
They aren't doing it until after an election where the issue can be aired.

You rail against politicians, yet your "argument" is full of political slogans.

For example perhaps you can take a deep breath and tell us why the "robbing bastard insurance companies" are going to dilute workplace safety?

[Fatt Max]

So you are a committed communist Max?? Profits are evil? You give your own labour freely without payment?

Its funny how folk roil long and hard against anyone else earning money but zealously grasp it for themselves.

Thats exactly right mate. I am a commited communist. I only emigrated to NZ beacuse they told me there was a town called Lenin but when I got there I fould out that it was actually Levin, so that was a bummer.

I give my own labour freely because the peanuts I get paid at the strip club is not worth talking about. I only manage to survive because of the 'extras' that are so popular with the boys in Levin at the strip club where I work.

Yes, I hate people who earn more money than me. Could you face yourself in the mirror every morning after night of taking extras from the male population of Levin> Can you? Can you?

I wil grasp as much money as I can and have no problem admitting it. Levin is a small town and I know everyone now. I will take their money bacause pole dancing is fucking hard work, the basic pay is shite and those farmers have rough hands. Once you know what a pair of rough and hairy fence workers hands are like when they grab you during a 'reach around' then you will know what I have to go through.

I hope I have answered your questions friend

Levin, damn you.......

[Fatt Max]

I still don't understand. Both you and the other poster can't seem to actually come up with a reason why this won't work. It's been done before and went OK.

As for the Govt. lying - it was in their election manifesto.
They aren't doing it until after an election where the issue can be aired.

You rail against politicians, yet your "argument" is full of political slogans.

For example perhaps you can take a deep breath and tell us why the "robbing bastard insurance companies" are going to dilute workplace safety?

Is that you Mrs Max? I thought you were at work..??

[Hitcher]

As for the Govt. lying - it was in their election manifesto.
They aren't doing it until after an election where the issue can be aired.

Dearie me. Some people just don't get MMP. Anybody who votes for a party based on what's in its manifesto is delusional. MMP means that no one party can govern alone. They need to form alliances with other parties with whom they may not be philosophically aligned and will horse trade key elements of their manifesto to become government. This means that under MMP we end up with a government for which nobody has actually voted.

Understand that and you'll begin to get a glimpse of how our political machinery works.

[Scuba_Steve]

I still don't understand. Both you and the other poster can't seem to actually come up with a reason why this won't work. It's been done before and went OK.

Yea I heard it started well for the companies, from what my workmate was saying you trip on the stairs at work your company insurer denied your claim on the basis "it's not a workplace accident as this could have happened at home go see ACC" then ACC would deny you on the basis "it was a workplace accident, your company insurers problem".
So at the end you apparently get "cheaper coverage", in exchange for no actual cover & the insurers make large profits through not paying out, a win for everyone... right?

[Oscar]

Is that you Mrs Max? I thought you were at work..??

So you got nuthin' as well?

[Oscar]

Dearie me. Some people just don't get MMP. Anybody who votes for a party based on what's in its manifesto is delusional. MMP means that no one party can govern alone. They need to form alliances with other parties with whom they may not be philosophically aligned and will horse trade key elements of their manifesto to become government. This means that under MMP we end up with a government for which nobody has actually voted.

Understand that and you'll begin to get a glimpse of how our political machinery works.

It's not about how MMP works, it's about the accusation they were lying.
If it was in their manifesto, they can hardly be lying, can they?

[Buyasta]

It's not about how MMP works, it's about the accusation they were lying.
If it was in their manifesto, they can hardly be lying, can they?

Ah, but given the fact that we all expect politicians to lie and renege on their election promises, isn't fulfilling an election promise lying, in a sense?

[Fatt Max]

So you got nuthin' as well?

No, I just want to know who you are and what have you done with my wife?

[Oscar]

Yea I heard it started well for the companies, from what my workmate was saying you trip on the stairs at work your company insurer denied your claim on the basis "it's not a workplace accident as this could have happened at home go see ACC" then ACC would deny you on the basis "it was a workplace accident, your company insurers problem".
So at the end you apparently get "cheaper coverage", in exchange for no actual cover & the insurers make large profits through not paying out, a win for everyone... right?

So far, the nearest I've seen to actual facts in this thread is Max being scared of his wife and your discussion with a workmate. I think I'll ask the cat

[Fatt Max]

Ah, but given the fact that we all expect politicians to lie and renege on their election promises, isn't fulfilling an election promise lying, in a sense?

I was trying to get that point across mate but obviously I know Nuttin'

[Oscar]

Ah, but given the fact that we all expect politicians to lie and renege on their election promises, isn't fulfilling an election promise lying, in a sense?

You win.

I'm going for a lie down...

[Fatt Max]

So far, the nearest I've seen to actual facts in this thread is Max being scared of his wife and your discussion with a workmate. I think I'll ask the cat

....and being scared is a good thing bruv.

Can I please have my shovel back when you are finished with it. It's the bright blue one with the gold handle