ANY JP'S HERE?

[spudchucka]

So where is the actual wording the statue on this. I've looked and can not find it. Has anyone seen the actual wording of this or is it just some LTNZ PR ??


Skyryder

It won't be in the statute, try looking in the regulations.

[spudchucka]

Sentence #2 mentions nothing about entry or exit. It states no indication is neccessary when going straight ahead.

All this really shows is that JP's are just as thick headed as the rest of the great unwashed.

[spudchucka]

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/giv...ndabouts3.html

Print this page out and mail it to the editor of the Justices Quarterly with a nice note telling him or her what a dumb arse he or she is.

Its really very simple, I fail to see how anyone with half a brain could have problems getting to grips with the concept.

[scumdog]

It's a dumb-ass bit of ruling anyway - Imagine you are sitting at the top entry to the roundabout in the picture above. It's more than a good bet that you will not be able to see the left hand indicators on either of the cars, yet the purpose of their indicating a left turn is to inform you that they are exiting the roundabout.

Re above scenario: you would get fucked off waiting for them just to find out they were going straight ahead (i.e. turning off before they got to you).

I bet you WOULD see the indicators in enough time to let you realise you didn't have to sit there like a dummy for them.

[Ixion]

It won't be in the statute, try looking in the regulations.

I think it's actually a Road Rule. Sort of third level, made under Ministerial prerogative.

[spudchucka]

I think it's actually a Road Rule. Sort of third level, made under Ministerial prerogative.

It doesn't really matter where it is written, I posted a link from the road code and can't be arsed looking any further than that for it.

Its very simple and I think that anyone who is making a fuss over it is just plain thick or a shit stirrer.

[Skyryder]

It doesn't really matter where it is written, I posted a link from the road code and can't be arsed looking any further than that for it.

Its very simple and I think that anyone who is making a fuss over it is just plain thick or a shit stirrer.

I'm neither. And if it is so simple why are so many people confused. I had a guy the other day indicate to turn right then went straigt ahead. I think the police would be better employed ticketing drivers who change lanes without indicating. That seems to be far more dangerous than this law which is there for driver courtesyand not for safety reasons As I said once before there are enough confused drivers out on the roads as it is without me confusing them any further.

Skyryder

[Jeremy]

Extremely simple rule.

Always indicate left as you leave a roundabout.
Always indicate when you enter a roundabout in the direction you want to go.
Be in the correct lane before you get to the roundabout.

If you want to see people really confused see what happens at an intersection with 4 give-way signs. (only seen 2 of them so far, but there's probably more else where). I think they only exist when the roadworks guy screw up. It's all in the road code as what you do in that situation yet it appears that 90% of people can't remember what's in it. Maybe everyone should have to pass the theory part every year. And since they allready know how to drive they should be allowed any errors at all.

[What?]

Re above scenario: you would get fucked off waiting for them just to find out they were going straight ahead (i.e. turning off before they got to you).

I bet you WOULD see the indicators in enough time to let you realise you didn't have to sit there like a dummy for them.

Not really - the fact is that at many roundabouts I can not see the left hand indicators of cars exiting at the point before the one I am waiting at. Not that it really matters , coz I never trust other peoples indication anyway - too common for it to not match their actions. Better to be alive and wrong than dead right, eh?

[spudchucka]

And if it is so simple why are so many people confused.

Have a good look at the little pictures on the road code site, read their explanations and tell me what is so confusing about it.

I think the fact that some people can't figure it out says a lot about the mental ability of those people, JP's included.

[Gremlin]

Re above scenario: you would get fucked off waiting for them just to find out they were going straight ahead (i.e. turning off before they got to you).

Yep, agree there, one particular corner on my run into the city, where the road does a 90 degree turn to the right, road intersects on the outside of the corner (I'm on that road), the number of cars that don't indicate to turn "left"....

All very well to look at it from the inside, but try being the person trying to mind read you.

[festus]

The people in my town are hopeless at indicating, half of them are in a dream world, and hardly use there indicators, bloody frustrating. The other half don't have a clue how a round about works, they just sit there till the road is clear 1 kilometer down the road before entering the round about, instead of merging........shockers!

[Skyryder]

Have a good look at the little pictures on the road code site, read their explanations and tell me what is so confusing about it.

I think the fact that some people can't figure it out says a lot about the mental ability of those people, JP's included.

I'm not confused. Never have been. Just everybody else is that I come across on roundabouts. Just think it's a dumb rule having to indicate when not turning or changing lanes. I notice that the picture shows that you should indicate once past the left or right exits. Perhaps in your wisdom you can convey to me how this rule makes driving safer for us on bikes. Because I'm fucked if I can see.
Next time you need a JP to autherize a search warrent I'm sure you will convey your sentiments.

As a matter of interest do the police in general have a poor opinion of JP;s or is it just you??

Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

* Drivers entering a roundabout must indicate if they are intending to exit left or right. It is not neccessary to indicate if you are going straight ahead At multi-lane roundabouts you must approach and enter the roundabout in the correct lane for where you intend to exit.

Skyryder

This only refers to ENTERING the roundabout. Like legislation, it has to be interpreted as to what it actually says, not what you'd like it to say.

Maybe we should start a petition for the terminally confused to make indicating optional.

[spudchucka]

'm not confused. Never have been. Just everybody else is that I come across on roundabouts.

Like I said before, it says a lot about the attitudes and brain power of the average Kiwi motorist. Too stupid or too arrogant to follow simple rules.

Perhaps in your wisdom you can convey to me how this rule makes driving safer for us on bikes. Because I'm fucked if I can see.

I'm not wise but I can figure out when I have to indicate at a round-a-bout and therefore at least I'm not thick. I'm not commenting on the rules impact on safety, just the inability of people to grasp a very simple concept.

Next time you need a JP to autherize a search warrent I'm sure you will convey your sentiments.

Generally I never go to JP's for search warrants unless it is an after hour emergency.

As a matter of interest do the police in general have a poor opinion of JP;s or is it just you??

I have nothing against JP's most of them are excellent at what they do. There are some who are completely hopeless but you get that in all professions, (as is pointed out ad nauseum on this very forum).

However, if JP's can't even understand this very simple road rule then they are bordering on being utterly stupid along with the rest of the half wits that can't get it right.