Keep Wellington's motorcycle parking free - sign the petition!

**caseye** · 29th January 2011, 21:51

Give em heaps mate.Publishing something as outdated as that is just asking for trouble.
And Welly BRONZ are just the bother boys to give it em!.

**StoneY** · 31st January 2011, 10:01

Ok we meet them tomorrow
This is a casual discussion pre-consultation process

Present will be
Me
Anthony from MAG
Cherie from WIMA
Peter from Ulysses
The owner of Scootrazi (dunno his name but Jess speaks highly of him)
A guy from Island Bay who sent me copies of his submissions, boy is he on our side and looks like he's smart too!

I will be reporting directly to the BRONZ Members tomorrow night at the Parrot n Jigger in Lower Hutt

Will reserve the Kiwibiker response for Wednesday

Cheers all

Better go stretch a bit and see if the gloves still fit methinks.............

**cheshirecat** · 31st January 2011, 11:08

Originally Posted by Bald Eagle

Seems we are not considered as a contributor to the compact city approach unlike buses, car sharing clubs and cycle parking. Even though the majority of cars travel into the city at 25% passenger capacity while bikes are at 50% capacity and some at 100%. I don't think I've ever seen a car at 100% capacity during my daily commutes in and out of the city.

Extract from Pg 7 of the Parking policy document.

.."Parking should support the compact city approach and promote the
efficient use of the road space resource to achieve sustainability
objectives (such as allocating road space for buses at peak times on
appropriate routes, identifying spaces for the use of car sharing clubs
and cycle parking)"

There's little if any mention of motorbikes in either their transportation or enviroment policies - only parking. I sense a Youtube video comming on.

**StoneY** · 2nd February 2011, 09:23

Ok, initial meeting done

This was NOT a formal consultation (yet) and was a brief discussion on strategy and direction, a meeting of minds so to speak.
I for one was impressed at the approach they took, we were listened to and ASKED for input and advice.

Present for Motorcyclists was Peter Mac from Ulysses, Cherie Flintoff from WIMA (CherryB here on KB) and Anthony Foreman from MAG NZ.

Tentatively, we have an understanding that we will not LOSE any parking we curtrently have, although a reshuffle of locations and some area's with heavy retail focus MAY get time limited... guess thats a reality we need to face.

Council will push hard to all private parking providors to provide ecconomiccaly viable access (eg 50$ a month) which should include Gear Lockers, and low level access so we dont have to ride clutches up ramps.
This will not be used as a replacement for our existing free parking. BUT they are running out of options

Council is encouraging us (thats YOU and ME) to approach our employers in regards access to parking off street on company grounds where we can, to aleviate pressure on roadside parking.
They also were very open to us as a community finding locations suitable to be marked as Motorcycle parking - eg where we find spots no car could use but 2-3 bikes can - I made an exapmle with the space in Courtenay Place by the old public loo at Taranaki st, small paved culdesac no pedestrians ever use for ANYTHING - ideal 6 bike parking spot.

Jon Visser was present and his boss the Director of Infrastructure, both were amiccable and

We also had a member of the public present who seemed to want Wellingtons Footpaths turned into Parisian Cafe's!
He stormed out after a rant, was quite entertaining!
Only one nay sayer from Council was in the room, he saved up a bit of a serve on bike safety till the end.
We will be responding with some figures for this gentelman to ensure he gets his facts right.

I will be handing this issue off to Paul Ellen BRONZ Wgtn VP (Bald Eagle here on KB) and Byron Cummins BRONZ Wgtn (The_Dude) for future ongoing consultation as I have more than enough to do with ACC etc

I think we have made our point in the opening discussion and I was surprised how open to our input Council actually is in this matter (or seem to be)
The Petition definitely got some attention thats for sure!

**Scuba_Steve** · 2nd February 2011, 09:42

I see the Spyder still likes to park in bikes parks (a bit more considerate now tho) but the council (or they're contractors) are starting to take photos of it, guess maybee they're trying to work out if it's supposed to be there or not too

**StoneY** · 2nd February 2011, 10:14

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

I see the Spyder still likes to park in bikes parks (a bit more considerate now tho) but the council (or they're contractors) are starting to take photos of it, guess maybee they're trying to work out if it's supposed to be there or not too

My take on that is its registered as a CAR and should use a car space
Especially with our current fight

I have been meaning to drop a note on it but never anywhere nearbye....

**buellbabe** · 2nd February 2011, 10:43

Blingedy bling bling to you Stoney! Even tho I don't live in Welly I signed the petition to support you guys cos as it was pointed out if Welly bikers lose parking spaces its only a matter of time before other councils follow suit. Kudos to you Stoney for standing up and being counted yet again

**Scuba_Steve** · 2nd February 2011, 11:04

Originally Posted by StoneY

My take on that is its registered as a CAR and should use a car space
Especially with our current fight

I have been meaning to drop a note on it but never anywhere nearbye....

Well if the council (or their minions) are taking photos of it they might drop a note on it for you

**cheshirecat** · 2nd February 2011, 12:19

Originally Posted by StoneY

Ok, initial meeting done

This was NOT a formal consultation (yet) and was a brief discussion on strategy and direction, a meeting of minds so to speak.
I for one was impressed at the approach they took, we were listened to and ASKED for input and advice.

Present for Motorcyclists was Peter Mac from Ulysses, Cherie Flintoff from WIMA (CherryB here on KB) and Anthony Foreman from MAG NZ.

Tentatively, we have an understanding that we will not LOSE any parking we curtrently have, although a reshuffle of locations and some area's with heavy retail focus MAY get time limited... guess thats a reality we need to face.

Council will push hard to all private parking providors to provide ecconomiccaly viable access (eg 50$ a month) which should include Gear Lockers, and low level access so we dont have to ride clutches up ramps.
This will not be used as a replacement for our existing free parking. BUT they are running out of options

Council is encouraging us (thats YOU and ME) to approach our employers in regards access to parking off street on company grounds where we can, to aleviate pressure on roadside parking.
They also were very open to us as a community finding locations suitable to be marked as Motorcycle parking - eg where we find spots no car could use but 2-3 bikes can - I made an exapmle with the space in Courtenay Place by the old public loo at Taranaki st, small paved culdesac no pedestrians ever use for ANYTHING - ideal 6 bike parking spot.

Jon Visser was present and his boss the Director of Infrastructure, both were amiccable and

We also had a member of the public present who seemed to want Wellingtons Footpaths turned into Parisian Cafe's!
He stormed out after a rant, was quite entertaining!
Only one nay sayer from Council was in the room, he saved up a bit of a serve on bike safety till the end.
We will be responding with some figures for this gentelman to ensure he gets his facts right.

I will be handing this issue off to Paul Ellen BRONZ Wgtn VP (Bald Eagle here on KB) and Byron Cummins BRONZ Wgtn (The_Dude) for future ongoing consultation as I have more than enough to do with ACC etc

I think we have made our point in the opening discussion and I was surprised how open to our input Council actually is in this matter (or seem to be)
The Petition definitely got some attention thats for sure!

Encuraging stuff. Particularly intrigued by the fact they believe we are an community - which we are of course if you like herding stray cats - but it's nice to think they think can make contributions to the civic monolinth

**Jon Visser** · 14th February 2011, 09:46

I like the proposal to have a forum on potential new spaces. Rather than lots of ad-hoc submissions, we should maintain a register of sites so that they only need to be proposed and considered once. Could also be good to have a guideline for proposing new sites, i.e. what to look for such as safety (sight lines and features that stop them from being walked/driven into), accessability (how bikes will get to/from the spaces without riding on footpaths) and demand (not just from riders but also other road users, e.g. rubbish collections, tree maintenance etc), and what not to bother asking for because it will be rejected. A simple submission form on our external website would be good, like we did for resident parking:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/servic...ea-request.pdf
I'll have a think about getting this added to our web site, and leave it up to this forum to consider starting a thread.

The Courtenay Place location will be looked into - we met recently to discuss the Courtenay Precinct in general and there are lots of things being considered, so I'm afraid there won't be any immediate response (i.e. it will all be addressed as a "package").

A coleague just advised we have made a change in Martin Square and there is now a parking space that is too small for a car, and he has observed a few scooters parked up on the footpath. A motorcycle parking bay has therefore been suggested as a suitable use for this space.

Jon Visser
Manager - Infrastructure Performance

**StoneY** · 14th February 2011, 11:10

Thanks Jon
Very encouraging stuff indeed

As always thanks for the positive spin on making progress and including us all in such a pro-active manner

Brent

**cheshirecat** · 14th February 2011, 18:37

Originally Posted by StoneY

Thanks Jon
Very encouraging stuff indeed

As always thanks for the positive spin on making progress and including us all in such a pro-active manner

Brent

So do we put a thread up here?

**caseye** · 14th February 2011, 19:56

On you guys and girls of the Welly BRONZ Ulysses, Wima and MAG-NZ.
Also to Jon for taking an active(though not strictly speaking his baby anymore) part in proceedings.
This is a good outcome, so far.
I look forward to seeing you folk from Wellington really getting into this and providing Jon and his team with lots of alternatives that work for us all.

**StoneY** · 14th February 2011, 19:58

Originally Posted by cheshirecat

So do we put a thread up here?

Unsure - I think one was already opened after the last thread in '09?
If not by all means run a new one

I think it would be a far more credible exercise for all if you actually opened it and made the FB link to mate