Keep Wellington's motorcycle parking free - sign the petition!

[Bald Eagle]

Well as we are all working towards obtaining mutually beneficial parking outcomes for Wellingtonians here's an interesting scenario.

A major corporate is currently occupying premises in the CBD. The site has some non car friendly internal space on two internal parking levels. Staff are permitted to park motorbikes in these spaces at no cost.

Said corporate is about to relocate into a refurbished building in the CBD. Staff have been replied to on enquirying that the following will apply.

"Motorcycles will share 3 bikes to a car park and will each pay a third of the costs which works out to be $1733.33 per annum/per person (the costs of a full car park is $5200). These are costs set by the landlord"



This breaks down to a return of $433.33/month for a parking space.



Commercial parking buildings operating in the CBD provide single bike parking with 24/7 access at a rate of $50.00/month.



This sort of corporate / landlord behaviour doesn't not help the commuting public or the council in attempting to manage a limited resource as people are more likely to be non compliant when 'compliant' behaviour becomes to costly.

[Kendog]

This sort of corporate / landlord behaviour doesn't not help the commuting public or the council in attempting to manage a limited resource as people are more likely to be non compliant when 'compliant' behaviour becomes to costly.

I would of thought that is helping to manage a limited resource. Low supply = high price to manage demand.
I am guessing the council would see this as an opportunity to promote public transport.

[davebullet]

Well as we are all working towards obtaining mutually beneficial parking outcomes for Wellingtonians here's an interesting scenario.

A major corporate is currently occupying premises in the CBD. The site has some non car friendly internal space on two internal parking levels. Staff are permitted to park motorbikes in these spaces at no cost.

Said corporate is about to relocate into a refurbished building in the CBD. Staff have been replied to on enquirying that the following will apply.

"Motorcycles will share 3 bikes to a car park and will each pay a third of the costs which works out to be $1733.33 per annum/per person (the costs of a full car park is $5200). These are costs set by the landlord"



This breaks down to a return of $433.33/month for a parking space.



Commercial parking buildings operating in the CBD provide single bike parking with 24/7 access at a rate of $50.00/month.



This sort of corporate / landlord behaviour doesn't not help the commuting public or the council in attempting to manage a limited resource as people are more likely to be non compliant when 'compliant' behaviour becomes to costly.

Just a small correction on your comparison - that's $144 not ($433) per bike per month compared to $50 per bike per month. I know you said "$433 per car parking space" - but that is for 3 bikes - right?

Still - nearly 3 times the price ($144 > $50) is crazy.

[Bald Eagle]

Irony, have just found out the landlord in the above example is "The Wellington Company."

Who also are in the Parking business

[oneofsix]

Just a small correction on your comparison - that's $144 not ($433) per bike per month compared to $50 per bike per month. I know you said "$433 per car parking space" - but that is for 3 bikes - right?

Still - nearly 3 times the price ($144 > $50) is crazy.

You are both right, Bald Eagle quoted $433 per SPACE per month whilst Dave has worked out the per BIKE per month price.

[caseye]

Either way it's a damnd disgrace.
I wonder, do they realistically expect their employees to pay $100.00 per week for the ability to park a car, at or near to their work?
Hope they are getting a damn big salary and doesn't it make you wonder, if they are paying big enough salaires to accomodate this they are damn well ripping off their own employees knowingly.

[KevinD]

WCC are reviewing the use of on-road motorcycle parking, which may include the introduction of fees / charges.

Do your bit by signing the "keep it free" petition:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/haveyo...ep/details/147

Here is a link to the policy:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/plans/...ing2007-09.pdf

The Policy was drafted September 2007 with an implementation timeframe of 3 - 5 years. The motorcycle section in question is on pg 28 which states:
"f. Review the provision for motorcycle parking,
including investigating issues such as quantity of
spaces, location, parking price and motorcycle
parking provision in town and suburban centres"

PS: Kudos and credit to BRONZ for organising this.

EDIT: Even if you aren't a Wellingtonian (I don't blame you, honest) - sign the petition. If parking fees for motorcycles goes ahead here, you can guarantee one council will set a precedent for other councils "justifying" fees to be a nationwide thing.

The whole problem here is if you have to pay, in many cases it also makes sense (convenience) to bring the car instead of the bike. Therefore there is one less car space, instead of a bike space. That a bit illogical to me if the objective is maximum optimization of parking space.

[Reckless]

The whole problem here is if you have to pay, in many cases it also makes sense (convenience) to bring the car instead of the bike. Therefore there is one less car space, instead of a bike space. That a bit illogical to me if the objective is maximum optimization of parking space.

You got that right a lot of bikers will elect to take the car if its raining or if they have sport or and appointment, if they have to pay! Charging bikes for parking might be the straw that breaks the camels back and they will join he que of people driving round and round looking for a park!
Charging bikers could well make their parking problems much worse! But do they really care?? Its about revenue and I bet they get council parks provided so they aren't effected.
They don't give a shit about ease of traffic movement or the cities parking availability to tourists, visitors or rate payers other wise they wouldn't be banging on and on about costs per parking space etc etc! Its about money and from a councils point of view it damn well shouldn't be, it should be about the good of the city!
And I say the above as a born and bred Wellingtonian!!

[StoneY]

We managed to get agreement at the opening 'csual conversation' meeting that we will not lose any of our existing free parking numbers (500 bike slots as it stands)

Might end up with some time limits here and there near heavy retail zones is the expected situation at this time, council have engaged on our behalf with the parking buildings to get fair prices and gear lockers arranged for those who desire secure off street parking -

[cheshirecat]

Is it my imagination or are there more mini bike parking places in welly?

[StoneY]

Is it my imagination or are there more mini bike parking places in welly?

Yep, there are. Lots of small ones popping up and as we progress and theyre monitored, some will be selected as time limited

Its a start............

[davebullet]

Is it my imagination or are there more mini bike parking places in welly?

Yup. Thanks for reminding me to buy more yellow paint :-)

[StoneY]

Yup. Thanks for reminding me to buy more yellow paint :-)

LOL!
Jon Visser loves you man ;-)

[apes]

although you've got to love the 2 spaces limited to 2 hours on Lambton Quay that i've yet to see in use, whereas when they had no time limit they were always full during the working day, I'm currently waiting for a reply from the council on why this change was decided upon

[StoneY]

although you've got to love the 2 spaces limited to 2 hours on Lambton Quay that i've yet to see in use, whereas when they had no time limit they were always full during the working day, I'm currently waiting for a reply from the council on why this change was decided upon

For all the reasons placed in this very thread, and repeated more than once dude

A friend of mine from WIMA was late to a important meeting during the Bikeoi planning stages at Police Central because there was no available motorcycle parks - some area's are being set to time limits where major retail zones exist

Trade off is some parking buildings have been approached for reasonable day/weekly/monthly rates and other parking spaces opened near office oriented area's that allow all day parking

PM Jon Visser here on Kiwibiker, he can answer you better than I
Bald Eagle is our main liason on Parking Issues here in the city for BRONZ maybe PM him too

Cheers