Land of the Long White Wash?

[Lou Girardin]

The report into the loss of the Iron Maiden off the Northland coast has found the Police Comms centre bears no blame for the loss of two lives.
This is despite the Comms operator seeming not to know what day it was let alone the status of the Rescue chopper. Which was sent 2 1/2 hours late.
In their divine wisdom the TAIC decicded that the victims could not have survived more than an hour in the water, so it wouldn't have helped if the Police had actually got the Chopper airborne in a reasonable time.
This is interesting, because I happen to know one of our customers survived 9 hours in the water at the Manukau heads, a very unforgiving piece of water.
The fault appears to have been the dead skippers for being out there in the first place and for using cannabis about 8 hours before.
Now, cannabis is not known to increase risk taking and it seems that fishermen should not pursue their livelihood if there's a slight risk of the weather turning. This would mean our fishing industry should close for most of the year.
The reality seems to be that they bent over backwards to avoid allocating any blame at all to the Police contribution to this tragedy. Perhaps they've had a really hard time lately and anymore criticism would upset George and Robbie.
A classic case of the end justifying all cock-ups.

[scumdog]

Old horse - Lance - Windmill

[spudchucka]

Lets just get it out here and now......THE POLICE ARE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING BAD THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME.

[Jeremy]

Bad day I take it spudchucka.

Blame has to lie on the person who broke the law by consuming illegal drugs, regardless of whether they impaired his ability.

[spudchucka]

Not bad at all actually. I'm back to work this arvo after nearly a month off so I'm feeling gooood.

Lou has not bothered to tell us that the report has also stated that a helicopter could not have effected a rescue in the conditions that prevailed at the time.

The marine SAR situation in NZ has been in a shambles for a long time, there have been numerous other incidents before this one. The police are only a part of the whole picture relating to marine SAR but Lou wants to blame them for any screw up that he possibly can. It doesn't matter to him that the report has cleared the police of any blame in this incident because that result doesn't fit into the particular barrow that he likes to push around.

[sAsLEX]

Lou has not bothered to tell us that the report has also stated that a helicopter could not have effected a rescue in the conditions that prevailed at the time.

Really depends on the pilot to get thereand make the call though, there have been some pretty amazing rescues in some shit weather by people in little more than upside down lawnmowers before.

Cant remember the ship but thinking Waikato and the wasp that resuced a russian fisherman in the southern ocean a while back...

[Ixion]

Lets just get it out here and now......THE POLICE ARE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING BAD THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME.

Oh good. I'm glad that's clarified. I was looking for someone to blame for breaking the little switch that controls my spot lights (not me of course!). Now I know it's the police to blame. Where shall I send the bill ?

[vifferman]

Lou wants to blame them [the Police] for any screw up that he possibly can.

Yeah, seems so, but why? :spudwhat:

Wassup, Lou?

[Lou Girardin]

Yes Spud I did, read the post. It was only an opinion of TAIC that a rescue would have failed. A 3 hour late rescue certainly failed.
SOME, but not all, blame should have been apportioned to Police for the total incompetence of their contribution. The Comms operator did not even know if the chopper was on standby or even which one had been requested.
Thank you Mr Dog, the lucidity of your arguement has convinced me of my erroneous thinking. I will repent.

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah, seems so, but why? :spudwhat:

Wassup, Lou?

Nothing of a personal nature, as I've explained before. Just a general dislike of what has been done to what was a fine force.
If no-one pointed out these issues, nothing would get fixed. George or Robbie would not be squirming in their seats if none of the scandals had been made public.

[spudchucka]

Yes Spud I did, read the post. It was only an opinion of TAIC that a rescue would have failed. A 3 hour late rescue certainly failed.
SOME, but not all, blame should have been apportioned to Police for the total incompetence of their contribution. The Comms operator did not even know if the chopper was on standby or even which one had been requested.
Thank you Mr Dog, the lucidity of your arguement has convinced me of my erroneous thinking. I will repent.

Who the hell made you an expert on whatever the latest police scandal is anyway? Why should your opinion of marine SAR issues carry more weight than a report submitted by the experts in that field?

The comms operator you heard on the TV this morning was obviously just reading from the job text that appeared on the screen in front of her and very likely had had no actual involvement in the job up until speaking to that person on the phone, thats why she had to read off the screen to know what was going on.

I haven't read the report, just going on whats been in the media but it seems that you are simply blaming the police for the stupidity of people who should be line ups for the next darwin awards.

The report excludes the police from any blame or fault in these deaths, why can't you accept that?

[TonyB]

I don't know the whole story on this one, but looking at it from a logical point of veiw, regardless of wether or not the chopper could have made it in time, doesn't the fact that it took 2 1/2 hours to get the chopper in the air point to a major failing in the system that must be investigated?

[SPORK]

Poor Ol' Iron Maiden. MAy she rock on forever more....

[Waylander]

Here is a question, why are the police doing something that would be he coast guards job? Where were they during all this?

[Quasievil]

The way I read it, the silly pricks should have not turned their boat into the rough seas when they had an option to stay in calmer waters, this linked up with being doped up ,inexperienced ,not knowing the Boat, made them even dumber pricks for venturing into Rough seas.The end result is two dead fisherman who had little respect for the sea.

And perhaps Dope has not been proven to encourage risk taking decisions I am sure it is not exactly known for making sensible life enhancing decisions either

The Police and rescue services cannot be held responsible for dumarses anywhere, on the road, in the air or on the sea.

Also if youre dum enough to do stupid things dont expect other people to come and put their lives at risk by saving yours. Fact is a helicopter could have been above them before the boat sunk and would have only been able to watch them drown.

Why do people always have to blame others for the mistakes of the stupid.

Someone here has been watching to many "all ended well" type movies.

If there were some mistakes made by the services that will be rectified I am sure, but they are not responsible for anyones death in this situation.