Announcement on ACC funded $2m scheme

[StoneY]

I agree there is no evidence.
However I also have to agree with the concept that not everyone on that panel will being doing it out of the good of their heart.

Sorry mate...there is NOTHING in this for us beyond hard, largely thankless work that is mind numbingly boring at times. Its definitley invasive of my free time and my career with regular days off to attend meetings etc.
No pay
No glory
Loads of unfounded speclation and accusatory inuendo thats totally unfounded.
Outright abuse in some cases.

Would you all rather it had been handed over to AA like our licenses were?

Avgas mate,this aint a nasty reply to YOU, but to the concept you have agreed with in regard to our intention.

There is no one pushing any personal agenda's on this council.
All decisions must...MUST meet a majority vote, and a stringent criteria set by legislation
ACC pay the expenses
We simply agree a project has merit and allow the money to be spent as approved by the council

We aint even volunteers as such...we were asked to participate and appointed by the minister......
Where does ANYONE get the whole feeding at the trough shit from?

And around the mulberry bush we go again.........

[MSTRS:Me]

... and appointed by the minister......

You do know what happens to appointees that don't do as they're told, eh?

[StoneY]

You do know what happens to appointees that don't do as they're told, eh?

In this case we are tasked to give him our honest advice, and simply to approve the projects that pass the vetting stage as per approved process....... a process BIKERs oversaw the creation of I may add!

I get where you are coming from, but I for one will NOT sell myself and my conscience will always ensure I decide on OUR side rather than being told to tow a line

I don’t believe anyone else on the council will either.

And, if I get sacked for NOT being a yes man, trust me you lot will be the first to hear about it

[Paul S]

Paul Searancke, Deputy Chairperson (Commissioner: Recreation/Leisure of Motorcycling New Zealand)
"Was heard to boast to a cab driver of my acquaintance that the MSL delegates had signed (ssshhh) a confidentiality agreement with the govt.(mustn't let the biking masses know what's going on)And boasted that he had Nick the Prick's private number on his cell phone"
Peter McIntosh (President Ulysses Club of NZ Inc)
"Wanted to exclude off road bikes from all MSL activities"

See above....

As much as I go around discussing personal and confidential information with cab drivers of various ethnicities who are complete strangers all the time, I would have to say that your "acquaintance" who heard me doing this must have been sharing the cab with me. I would appreciate half the cab fare (Tui- Yeah Right).
For the record; I don't have Nick Smiths private phone number in my cell phone and as far as I know no MSL Council member has signed any confidentiality agreement to date.
The Council members are not delegates they are Ministerial appointments.
The MSL was never ever for Off Road. Off Road riders don't contribute to this fund so NO money is going to be spent on Off Road from this fund, it is for road motorcycling.
I am quite happy to answer any questions I can (pm me), but please remember I work for a living and do this and other voluntary activities in my and my families spare time therefore it may take a while before I answer.

Paul Searancke

[avgas]

Sorry mate...there is NOTHING in this for us beyond hard, largely thankless work that is mind numbingly boring at times. Its definitley invasive of my free time and my career with regular days off to attend meetings etc.
No pay
No glory
Loads of unfounded speclation and accusatory inuendo thats totally unfounded.
Outright abuse in some cases.

ACC pay the expenses
We simply agree a project has merit and allow the money to be spent as approved by the council

We aint even volunteers as such...we were asked to participate and appointed by the minister......

Ya bloody masochist
Don't worry I know why your doing it Stoney (get the ladies) and I am happy that your on board. But the others will have to put proof in the pudding before others will trust em like you.

Sadly its human character.

[riffer]

See above....

Pixie - What the Fuck? You quote one of my messages and fill it full of libelous crap that makes it look like I wrote it...

You are way out of line mate.

Pull your fucking head in.

[Maha]

''As much as I go around discussing personal and confidential information with cab drivers of various ethnicities who are complete strangers all the time, I would have to say that your "acquaintance" who heard me doing this must have been sharing the cab with me''

Perhaps He/She was driving it....

[Paul S]

''As much as I go around discussing personal and confidential information with cab drivers of various ethnicities who are complete strangers all the time, I would have to say that your "acquaintance" who heard me doing this must have been sharing the cab with me''

Perhaps He/She was driving it....

"As much as I go around discussing personal and confidential information with cab drivers of various ethnicities who are complete strangers all the time, I would have to say that your "acquaintance" who heard me doing this must have been sharing the cab with me. I would appreciate half the cab fare (Tui- Yeah Right)."

The irony in my post was wasted and I think the full paragraph reads far better. I'll try again.

It was stated by "Pixie" that I "was heard to boast to a cab driver" about specific private and confidential information. Didn't happen.
Pixie could of course repeat these comments in writing and sign his or her name to it. It would then be debated in a different forum.

[Pixie]

The MSL was never ever for Off Road. Off Road riders don't contribute to this fund so NO money is going to be spent on Off Road from this fund, it is for road motorcycling.
I am quite happy to answer any questions I can (pm me), but please remember I work for a living and do this and other voluntary activities in my and my families spare time therefore it may take a while before I answer.

Paul Searancke

So seeing as car drivers do not contribute to the fund,I guess we will be assured we won't be seeing any of the fund spent on educating car drivers?

Seems a shame seeing as they kill a few of us every year.

I will be keeping a close watch that this is the case,but I suspect this is just the bullshit flowing deep.

I've heard reports that the exclusion of the off roaders was quite a bone of contention,with many of the representatives from diverse groups supporting their inclusion.It seems to me the Commissioner: Recreation/Leisure of Motorcycling New Zealand should be supporting them too.wtf?

Paul S; I am awaiting confirmation that I haven't confused you with someone else and if I have,I will apologize.

Riffer; I did not intend to make your quote look like you made the comments added in red.
I thought it was quite obvious the red bits were my comments,but then I'm a pixie and therefore a genius.


I've had confirmation just now.

I am not bullshitting and there was no confusion.My two sources one of which I have known for over 50 years and the other I trust absolutely,were correct .It seems the MSL cabal contains at least one MAJOR Bovine excrement specialist and some of the other members,at very least,so far have failed to detect this.

Just remember folks: when you open your mouth and show that you are a twat,sometime,somewhere those unwise comments you used to boost your ego will probably come back to bite you in the arse.

Be aware the hills have eyes.

and the cornfields have ears.

[Shadows]

So we'll line the roads with broken glass and used saw blades because the only way they'll hurt you is if you are already "in the shit"

+1 Mister Genius

They already are lined with broken glass and used saw blades.

Fuck yes, let's waste a shit load of money and time on a single issue to placate somebody with an axe to grind, and do nothing to eliminate the root causes which result in people sliding down the road towards WRB's, or anything else for that matter, in the first place. Fuck if it isn't a WRB it'll most likely be something else, so let's also remove all of the lamp posts, road signs, trees, post and batten fences, buildings, armco, gutters, sheep, and while we're at it, all of the oncoming traffic just in case somebody on a motorcycle strays into the opposing lane. And the road, don't forget the road. It's really hard and it fucking hurts when you hit it.

I don't like WRB's either but focusing on them is a waste of time when the country could simply invest in more ambulances.

Of course I'm wasting my time trying to reason with somebody who's best argument seems to be little more than a cheap shot at my intelligence.

[StoneY]

Ya bloody masochist
Don't worry I know why your doing it Stoney (get the ladies)

Masochist, yep! I keep comin back to Kiwibiker thats proof of that factor...but what ladies mate? LOL
My Missus might not agree there hehehe she picked me long before I was an ACC Advisor of any capacity lol.

[Spearfish]

Most people in NZ would say "someone should do something about that" and rant behind the protection of talk-back radio or here but as soon as something is asked of them they go quiet, stare at the ground and shift their weight from one foot to the other until they can slide away.

Stoney didn't, even though he would have known the suspicion and shyt that was going to to form let alone the complexity of what they are assembled to do.

All I can say to Stoney and any others here for the work your doing is a simple, thanks......
........from the protection of this site and talk-back.

[StoneY]

So seeing as car drivers do not contribute to the fund,I guess we will be assured we won't be seeing any of the fund spent on educating car drivers?

Not that we know of, there has been NOTHING discussed yet in terms of WHAT it gets spent on - GETS tenders are yet to even be recieved for gods sake

Seems a shame seeing as they kill a few of us every year.

Bang another drum this ones getting over used and the skins worn thin.

I will be keeping a close watch that this is the case,but I suspect this is just the bullshit flowing deep.

Your obviously an expert on Bullshit, which is shown in the way you twisted Riffers post when quoting him

I've heard reports that the exclusion of the off roaders was quite a bone of contention,with many of the representatives from diverse groups supporting their inclusion.It seems to me the Commissioner: Recreation/Leisure of Motorcycling New Zealand should be supporting them too.wtf?

Its a ROAD motorcyclists fund FFS Paul never once tried to include off roaders and there has been NO debate on the issue at all

Whoever you got this 'report' from is full of shit
I have been present at EVERY meeting so far, that ugly topic never once was discussed
Paul's group MNZ with over 20,000 members, many of whom ride road motorcycles as well......

Paul S; I am awaiting confirmation that I haven't confused you with someone else and if I have,I will apologize.

Riffer; I did not intend to make your quote look like you made the comments added in red.
I thought it was quite obvious the red bits were my comments,but then I'm a pixie and therefore a genius.


I've had confirmation just now.

I am not bullshitting and there was no confusion.My two sources one of which I have known for over 50 years and the other I trust absolutely,were correct .It seems the MSL cabal contains at least one MAJOR Bovine excrement specialist and some of the other members,at very least,so far have failed to detect this.

Name your source, a REAL name then. It had better be someone present at the meetings.
This is pure speculation and libelous slander based on hearsay and lacking any facts.
I know every person who has attended these meetings, as I have been at every single one of them
Names, or STFU

Just remember folks: when you open your mouth and show that you are a twat,sometime,somewhere those unwise comments you used to boost your ego will probably come back to bite you in the arse.

Be aware the hills have eyes.

and the cornfields have ears.

And what does this load of conspiracy theorist tripe make YOU look like?
Name your source and who the aleged bovine specialist is meant to be.
You say 'reports' of this have been made to YOU?
What reports, what organisation, dates and times of these incidents...back your statements up with real names

We on the council have NOT got the anonymity of a webforum such as Kiwibiker to hide behind.
It's real easy for misinformed idiots on KB to make grand statements of 'reports' of this and that
Who made your 'report' to you? Certainly not anyone who was on the steering comittee or in the final selection of the council

Your slanderous bullshit in this thread is exactly that, BULLSHIT based on nothing but hearsay someone you claim to have known for 50+ years, and another person 'you trust'

I have been at these meetings and can refute all you have said to be utter shit
Paul is a bloody good bloke, he works in the industry - he drives classic Chevy's - he RIDES on the road like we do

Nothing you have claimed has ever happened in MY presence, and I have not missed a single meeting of either the steering group or the Council as yet.

EDIT: I see in your friends list a very good clue as to where you get this information from - here we go again another long and windy garden path of inuendo and speculation based on imaginary conspiracies.

I have also heard (direct from those present at the discussions you have refferred to) that your so called information in regards certain off road groups being included in MSL issue's was the Federation of Motorcycle Clubs meeting, absolutely nothing to do with MSL issue's AT ALL!

[Pixie]

They already are lined with broken glass and used saw blades.

Fuck yes, let's waste a shit load of money and time on a single issue to placate somebody with an axe to grind, and do nothing to eliminate the root causes which result in people sliding down the road towards WRB's, or anything else for that matter, in the first place. Fuck if it isn't a WRB it'll most likely be something else, so let's also remove all of the lamp posts, road signs, trees, post and batten fences, buildings, armco, gutters, sheep, and while we're at it, all of the oncoming traffic just in case somebody on a motorcycle strays into the opposing lane. And the road, don't forget the road. It's really hard and it fucking hurts when you hit it.

I don't like WRB's either but focusing on them is a waste of time when the country could simply invest in more ambulances.

Of course I'm wasting my time trying to reason with somebody who's best argument seems to be little more than a cheap shot at my intelligence.

Your not wasting you time at all.

I would just rather not be exposed to something that might rip my leg off,than be assured there will be an ambulance to carry my legless body to a hospital or a morgue

[Pixie]

Not that we know of, there has been NOTHING discussed yet in terms of WHAT it gets spent on - GETS tenders are yet to even be recieved for gods sake



Bang another drum this ones getting over used and the skins worn thin.



Your obviously an expert on Bullshit, which is shown in the way you twisted Riffers post when quoting him


Its a ROAD motorcyclists fund FFS Paul never once tried to include off roaders and there has been NO debate on the issue at all

Whoever you got this 'report' from is full of shit
I have been present at EVERY meeting so far, that ugly topic never once was discussed
Paul's group MNZ with over 20,000 members, many of whom ride road motorcycles as well......



Name your source, a REAL name then. It had better be someone present at the meetings.
This is pure speculation and libelous slander based on hearsay and lacking any facts.
I know every person who has attended these meetings, as I have been at every single one of them
Names, or STFU





And what does this load of conspiracy theorist tripe make YOU look like?
Name your source and who the aleged bovine specialist is meant to be.
You say 'reports' of this have been made to YOU?
What reports, what organisation, dates and times of these incidents...back your statements up with real names

We on the council have NOT got the anonymity of a webforum such as Kiwibiker to hide behind.
It's real easy for misinformed idiots on KB to make grand statements of 'reports' of this and that
Who made your 'report' to you? Certainly not anyone who was on the steering comittee or in the final selection of the council

Your slanderous bullshit in this thread is exactly that, BULLSHIT based on nothing but hearsay someone you claim to have known for 50+ years, and another person 'you trust'

I have been at these meetings and can refute all you have said to be utter shit
Paul is a bloody good bloke, he works in the industry - he drives classic Chevy's - he RIDES on the road like we do

Nothing you have claimed has ever happened in MY presence, and I have not missed a single meeting of either the steering group or the Council as yet.

EDIT: I see in your friends list a very good clue as to where you get this information from - here we go again another long and windy garden path of inuendo and speculation based on imaginary conspiracies.

I have also heard (direct from those present at the discussions you have refferred to) that your so called information in regards certain off road groups being included in MSL issue's was the Federation of Motorcycle Clubs meeting, absolutely nothing to do with MSL issue's AT ALL!

There is nothing to be achieved arguing the point with people who conveniently forget what they have said.

I don't care where or when these statements have been made - it is merely an indicator of the calibre of the people who made them.

I'll leave my last statement on this subject to a paraphrase of a Billy Wigglestick (1564 - 1616 ) quote:

"They doth protest too much, methinks"