Announcement on ACC funded $2m scheme

**StoneY** · 24th January 2011, 11:04

Originally Posted by Nasty

That it is

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129965377

I think the article begs the question on how much these people are being paid of the $2 mil to set up these intiatives - but that is more of a Question to parliament to get the answers first. Chairing a group and even participating there are huge costs are these to come out of the amount set aside.

Please read this post here I cant be arsed writing it all out again

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...h-Morgan/page3

The fund is protected by LAW
There is no 'bucket' for any of the reps to swill from, we cant touch the fund we can only approve expenditure

Not ONE cent of this fund will be spent on its management, only on approved projects
And I take a major financial hit attending these meetings as do the other members

Peace

**Quasievil** · 24th January 2011, 11:10

All seems to be getting overly politicized dont yall think, to many interest groups and people getting on the safety band wagon with agendas striving for the same goal ?

hate to be to pessimistic but I dont think anything will change to much, fragmented approaches dont work, they just create confusion and B.S power struggles.

**StoneY** · 24th January 2011, 11:18

Originally Posted by Quasievil

All seems to be getting overly politicized dont yall think, to many interest groups and people getting on the safety band wagon with agendas striving for the same goal ?

hate to be to pessimistic but I dont think anything will change to much, fragmented approaches dont work, they just create confusion and B.S power struggles.

There is no power struggles in our council meetings Brett.

I sit right beside a bloke I have very little persoanl opinion of, yet we work collaboratively on whats RIGHT for thos paying the extra 30$ per bike they own, because the cause is far more important than my own ego, or even the duties I have for BRONZ

Only assumptions of such power struggles and rorting exist on KB and outright two faced bullshit

**Roadsafe Nelson** · 24th January 2011, 11:19

The Nelson, Tasman, Marlborough District & now also Wellington City Councils have all contracted Roadsafe Motorcycle Riding Techniques Ltd to provide professional rider training courses, which are heavily subsidised by the Councils and ACC.

These are full day courses, from 9 - 4.30 & participants pay only $20!! (Wgtn's pricing is yet to be confirmed) These courses would normally cost over $200 per person for the day

The courses cover from beginner riders on L plates, right through to the biggest cruiser & sports bikes.. & everything inbetween.

These courses are extremely popular, & every person who has attended has commented on how extremely beneficial it was for them!

We have our next series of full day on-road training courses coming up in 3 weeks.

Roadsafe Instructors are all:

NZTA qualified riding instructors
Members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM - British Police Training)
Members of the NZ Institute of Driver Educators

I am also a driving instructor & certified to run "Street Talk" (Defensive riding & driving courses - to reduce licence time)

ACC are extremely supportive of the Roadsafe courses

www.roadsafenelson.co.nz
www.roadsafe.co.nz

**Genestho** · 24th January 2011, 11:21

I agree there Q, everyone appears to want the same outcome??

Actions speak louder than words.

Roll ya sleeves up and get into it, or get out of it, whichever, I recon ya'll need to sort it out.

**mashman** · 24th January 2011, 11:27

I'm a member of BRONZ, I'm a member of MAG-NZ. I ride a bike. I drive a car. Who paid for the motorcycle campaigns of yesteryear? Who paid for the Enjoy the Ride campaign?

If ACC were truly concerned with reducing the accident rates, they'd have a single safety levy, charging $10 on all vehicles. That would drastically swell the safety fund for ALL road users, no bias towards user groups etc...

On that basis I find the MSL utterly insulting to my limited intelligence. But the MSL exists and hopefully will save a life or two, although I highly doubt it will be solely responsible for doing that. I would imagine that everyone on the MSL Committee also drives a car and therefore has the best intentions towards all road users by default. So why limit it to motorcycles?

If we're 50/50, in regards to blame for accidents involving motorcycles, then why the seperate levy? Even if we tidy up our act 100%, we'll still be dying at the hands of the drivers... It will then be 100% the cars fault. Then what? Erm...

It's a pathetic levy that serves no purpose other than to single motorcyclists out and charge them for it... as if the higher levies haven't already done so for years.

I'm pretty fuckin disappointed that the MSL was allowed, let alone conceived...

**GOONR** · 24th January 2011, 11:31

Originally Posted by mashman

I'm a member of BRONZ, I'm a member of MAG-NZ. I ride a bike. I drive a car. Who paid for the motorcycle campaigns of yesteryear? Who paid for the Enjoy the Ride campaign?

If ACC were truly concerned with reducing the accident rates, they'd have a single safety levy, charging $10 on all vehicles. That would drastically swell the safety fund for ALL road users, no bias towards user groups etc...

On that basis I find the MSL utterly insulting to my limited intelligence. But the MSL exists and hopefully will save a life or two, although I highly doubt it will be solely responsible for doing that. I would imagine that everyone on the MSL Committee also drives a car and therefore has the best intentions towards all road users by default. So why limit it to motorcycles?

If we're 50/50, in regards to blame for accidents involving motorcycles, then why the seperate levy? Even if we tidy up our act 100%, we'll still be dying at the hands of the drivers... It will then be 100% the cars fault. Then what? Erm...

It's a pathetic levy that serves no purpose other than to single motorcyclists out and charge them for it... as if the higher levies haven't already done so for years.

I'm pretty fuckin disappointed that the MSL was allowed, let alone conceived...

Well said. That just about sums it up for me.

**Ocean1** · 24th January 2011, 11:36

Originally Posted by mashman

I'm pretty fuckin disappointed that the MSL was allowed, let alone conceived...

Think that covers it nicely, cheers.

**StoneY** · 24th January 2011, 11:38

Originally Posted by mashman

It's a pathetic levy that serves no purpose other than to single motorcyclists out and charge them for it... as if the higher levies haven't already done so for years.

I'm pretty fuckin disappointed that the MSL was allowed, let alone conceived...

Knowing you personally bro, I can understand the emotion behind this
But it DOES exist, and we at least have Motorcyclists in the hot seat regarding its expenditure

Gareth Morgan is no ones fool,and he has given up a chunk of his own international travels this year to chair the council
Not ONE member of the council recieves remunerative reward for attendance, nor do their parent organisations they were approached due to being a member of gets ANY special treatment from MSL or ACC....

Its all I can say.................. all the rest is in the other threads and I am getting a sore forehead from banging that spot on the wall over and over and over............

The levy hikes happened and we can argue that till the end of time
Its what we do NOW with what we HAVE thats going to matter.

**Quasievil** · 24th January 2011, 11:39

not even one page and there is NZ riders are Voters, Ridesafe Nelson, Bronz

get me point ?

we should start another maybe NZMAO New Zealand Action Motorcycle Action Organisation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

**Fatt Max** · 24th January 2011, 11:43

Originally Posted by avgas

I mean clearly someone out there thinks everyone needs a gym membership and is fat.

Fucking tell me about it. Takes me an hour a day to clear the Jenny Craig, Les Mills and Special K flyers off the bonnet of my car every day, bastards.....

**Owl** · 24th January 2011, 11:43

Originally Posted by Quasievil

we should start another maybe NZMAO New Zealand Action Motorcycle Action Organisation

But that would be NZAMAO! Bit long???

**Fatt Max** · 24th January 2011, 11:53

Originally Posted by Owl

But that would be NZAMAO! Bit long???

I reckon it should be the Legendary Motorcycle Action Organisation, or LMAO for short, cos that is what the pollies will be doing when they read these threads and see how fucking divided the motorcycling community is becoming.

I dont have the answer but all I want is a quiet, diet-free life and for bikers everywhere to stop throwing shit about and falling into the hands of those that really do want us off the road.

Thats all I want, oh and a pir of Subo's undies.....

**Mom** · 24th January 2011, 11:55

Originally Posted by riffer

Of course not. The bloody thing was announced three days ago. FFS!

It has been months in the planning though, not just a couple of days, and I think the question of transparency is a valid one to be honest.

Originally Posted by Roadsafe Nelson

The Nelson, Tasman, Marlborough District & now also Wellington City Councils have all contracted Roadsafe Motorcycle Riding Techniques Ltd to provide professional rider training courses, which are heavily subsidised by the Councils and ACC.

These are full day courses, from 9 - 4.30 & participants pay only $20!! (Wgtn's pricing is yet to be confirmed) These courses would normally cost over $200 per person for the day

The courses cover from beginner riders on L plates, right through to the biggest cruiser & sports bikes.. & everything inbetween.

These courses are extremely popular, & every person who has attended has commented on how extremely beneficial it was for them!

We have our next series of full day on-road training courses coming up in 3 weeks.

Roadsafe Instructors are all:

NZTA qualified riding instructors
Members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM - British Police Training)
Members of the NZ Institute of Driver Educators

I am also a driving instructor & certified to run "Street Talk" (Defensive riding & driving courses - to reduce licence time)

ACC are extremely supportive of the Roadsafe courses

www.roadsafenelson.co.nz
www.roadsafe.co.nz

Well done you! This very acurately spells out what I was atttempting to get accross this morning on TV, we dont need a MSL or anything like it, there is already funding and wonderful support for motorcycle safety initiatives from our current ACC pool.

**mashman** · 24th January 2011, 11:57

Originally Posted by StoneY

Knowing you personally bro, I can understand the emotion behind this
But it DOES exist, and we at least have Motorcyclists in the hot seat regarding its expenditure

The levy hikes happened and we can argue that till the end of time
Its what we do NOW with what we HAVE thats going to matter.

I fully understand the reality and that the MSL exists mate, as I think most do, like it or not, and I will submit submissions when the time comes, as I would imagine most will... to that end I will support BRONZ in it's capacity to get the best bang for buck from the MSL... but I will support MAG-NZ, to a greater degree (read more passion

), to get the MSL removed or have it superceeded with a "fairer" safety levy or whatever ideas they come up with...

See ya next week Stones

perhaps the dear lady will soothe thy throbbing brow