MSL Council to be lead by Gareth Morgan

[supa.m]

Yeah. The back room boys have been busy again I see.

They must think we're all fucking morons that can't work out how small a problem that is. Or who's problem it is.

And they're largely right.



Arseholes.

The three types of lies....Lies, Damn lies and Statistics!!! In this case its just a case of who the *hole is.... is it the idiot Media editor? the desperate justification of a politician? my money is on both......

[James Deuce]

Doubt anyone would consider high participation rates as success.

Be interested in what training might be considered appropriate. Bunch of XR200s on a greasy track might be good bang for yer buck in teaching slow speed skills and reactions. Would mean less falling down type stuff but it won't stop much of the higher speed incidents.

Don't think there's any way to teach high speed skills in a manner that'd be considered safe by anyone likely to be holding the purse strings. What's more policy says it's not the lack of skills that's causing that, it's the speed itself so they're hardly likely to consdone training in that area.

I've made suggestions about old bastards actually teaching roadcraft before now but it seems most of 'em would rather wait for the crashes and then blame the crashee.

I understand and acknowledge all of your points, however high participation rates WILL have them scratching their heads as they've "profiled" motorcyclists as likely to belong a highly individualistic personality type and therefore unlikely to participate in training schemes due to what amounts to a personality disorder.

I think they've miscalculated there as most motorcyclists I know are highly social animals with a thirst for knowledge rather than bullshit. Just collecting motorcyclists together results in information transfer and a sound thrashing of some commonly held beliefs such as people deliberately "laying" bikes down and using the front brake is to be avoided.

The courses I talked about earlier were run by Police motorcycle cops and those guys were pragmatists when it came to skills and skill application. They discussed techniques for braking from high speed, cornering at high speed and appropriate times and places for applying that knowledge.

[Kickaha]

So, if the death toll of M/cyclists drop by, oh, say 35% over the next two-three years, will Dr Smith reduce the ACC levy out of good faith,

fuck you're a funny man

[Ocean1]

I understand and acknowledge all of your points, however high participation rates WILL have them scratching their heads as they've "profiled" motorcyclists as likely to belong a highly individualistic personality type and therefore unlikely to participate in training schemes due to what amounts to a personality disorder.

I think they've miscalculated there as most motorcyclists I know are highly social animals with a thirst for knowledge rather than bullshit. Just collecting motorcyclists together results in information transfer and a sound thrashing of some commonly held beliefs such as people deliberately "laying" bikes down and using the front brake is to be.

Dude. Them’s politicians. Being wrong is not only perfectly normal it’s no impediment to committing further wrongness. Certainly no reason to go about admitting they’re wrong for gods sake.

The courses I talked about earlier were run by Police motorcycle cops and those guys were pragmatists when it came to skills and skill application. They discussed techniques for braking from high speed, cornering at high speed and appropriate times and places for applying that knowledge.

Interesting to note that their riding safety culture is quite different to that of more accessible ones. Guess that’s a telling point, their lore is isolated because it’s not communicated and because of the ill will caused by the monosyllabic enforcement policy it’s not trusted.

[Berries]

I understand and acknowledge all of your points, however high participation rates WILL have them scratching their heads as they've "profiled" motorcyclists as likely to belong a highly individualistic personality type and therefore unlikely to participate in training schemes due to what amounts to a personality disorder.

Profiled me quite well then, and the majority of riders I know. I can't see high participation rates myself unless they make it compulsory.

[Movistar]

At the end of the day you're not going to get every motorcyclist along to a training day, no matter how good the training course is, or who is running it.

I have been to a number of different training days/courses run by various organisations and clubs, and you seem to always get at least (usually only) one clown attending.

That's the nature of the beast.

Even if training becomes compulsory, it is not going to benefit everyone. Especially if that one is the clown.

Look, anything is better than nothing, and as with many things in life, it's the minority that screw it up for the majority.

I only hope that this funding makes it down to the regional level where approved training days are well run, with relevent content and are well attended.

[supa.m]

I understand and acknowledge all of your points, however high participation rates WILL have them scratching their heads as they've "profiled" motorcyclists as likely to belong a highly individualistic personality type and therefore unlikely to participate in training schemes due to what amounts to a personality disorder.

I think they've miscalculated there as most motorcyclists I know are highly social animals with a thirst for knowledge rather than bullshit. Just collecting motorcyclists together results in information transfer and a sound thrashing of some commonly held beliefs such as people deliberately "laying" bikes down and using the front brake is to be avoided.

The courses I talked about earlier were run by Police motorcycle cops and those guys were pragmatists when it came to skills and skill application. They discussed techniques for braking from high speed, cornering at high speed and appropriate times and places for applying that knowledge.

Come on ...... only those that have a brain, back bone and a bank roll are motorcyclists, there are others who ride bikes of course. The problem is that the 'others' will likely not attend these safety things..... the motorcyclists who you refer to as having a thirst for knowledge will get that knowledge because they know its good for them!!!! Anything that makes it easier I support but lets not kid ourselves ..... the 'others' are always going to be there!

[blackdog]

Come on ...... only those that have a brain, back bone and a bank roll are motorcyclists, there are others who ride bikes of course. The problem is that the 'others' will likely not attend these safety things..... the motorcyclists who you refer to as having a thirst for knowledge will get that knowledge because they know its good for them!!!! Anything that makes it easier I support but lets not kid ourselves ..... the 'others' are always going to be there!

In that case, to the best of our ability, it is up to us to encourage the 'others' to become 'motorcyclists'.

Yes, i agree there is always a percentage, but as responsible road users it is up to us to set an example.

If you can positively influence just one young'n, then that is a step in the right direction.

Your circle may be more influential than you think.

Stand up man!

[p.dath]

My guess is that the $2m is for the running of the council, not for any council activities. $2m doesn't go far once you have half a dozen staff, buildings, vehicles, and other ongoing costs.

I wrote to the minister of ACC asking for the procedure to apply for funding from the $30m ring fenced fund, and was told that a motorcycle safety council was being appointed to administer the payments from the fund.

Response from the minister attached.

[caseye]

Phil for Crying out loud, read what has been said, time and time again.
All operating expenses are to come form the ACC general fund the ring fenced money is ONLY to be spent on ACTUAL safety programmes/activities.
Those programmes/activities to be determined by the newly appointed MLC.All of whom are motorcyclists.
I hate what has happened re ACC I like many thousands rode against it.
I still believe that the only way is to go back to a one for all system.
Having said that, I can see from those named that no one on the MLC is going to give that money to anyone who wants to erect billboards or do tv Adds, it will get spent on the foot soldiers the riders, of that I am sure.

[Smifffy]

They need Racefactory on the council!

[Big Dave]

They need Racefactory on the council!

Miloking would add flavour too.

[Murray]

In that case, to the best of our ability, it is up to us to encourage the 'others' to become 'motorcyclists'.
Yes, i agree there is always a percentage, but as responsible road users it is up to us to set an example.
If you can positively influence just one young'n, then that is a step in the right direction.
Your circle may be more influential than you think.
Stand up man!

I agree with everything you say but would not limit it to the "young'n' group alone". We are all aware of the number of "born a gain" bikers and I see many of them as the one's who will not attend a training course due to the "I've been driving for X years and no-one needs to tell me how to ride attitude". Of all the group rides I have been on in most cases it is these riders that push the boundries the most.

I am hoping the schemes will be fully subsidised and not another $ I have to spend on motorcycling. It's already taking its financial toll and damned if I am going to pay any more than I have to. If it is, then certainly I will be setting up calander events for the 20-30 riders I regularly ride with, in the Waikato, to attend as a group and get the most of what we are already paying for.

And Caseye you will need to be re-trained anyway after the little amount of riding you have done lately. Whens the bike back on the road?.

[caseye]

I agree with everything you say but would not limit it to the "young'n' group alone". We are all aware of the number of "born a gain" bikers and I see many of them as the one's who will not attend a training course due to the "I've been driving for X years and no-one needs to tell me how to ride attitude". Of all the group rides I have been on in most cases it is these riders that push the boundries the most.

I am hoping the schemes will be fully subsidised and not another $ I have to spend on motorcycling. It's already taking its financial toll and damned if I am going to pay any more than I have to. If it is, then certainly I will be setting up calander events for the 20-30 riders I regularly ride with, in the Waikato, to attend as a group and get the most of what we are already paying for.

And Caseye you will need to be re-trained anyway after the little amount of riding you have done lately. Whens the bike back on the road?.

Bum! I've been riding the 400 quite regularly, thank you very much! LOL.
Way to go Murray, take the LOR's and make it happen for them, about your observations, i concur, but hope that if it's there to be had that thney should go along and make a go of it, why not.
I even attended the SATNR on Thursday night only to find that the young fellas had blasted off early!@#$% ArgHHH not gunna let that Zen or Yen fella forget this one for a while.
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[NOD]

I will be probably be shoot down in flames but they should start taking unrego bikes and cow cockies figures of the total then start from there. (1) the farmers should have insurance and (2) unrego bikes pay nothing and give every thing. Guess WHAT I am unrego rider but happy to use private insurance if i get messed up.