Speed cameras don't save lives

[rustic101]

The AA recently sent me the below interview. Basically it is Victoria's top road safety researcher coming out saying that speed cameras do not save lives.

Victoria now has 10 times as many speed cameras as the UK per head of population, but not 1/10 of the fatalities.

They do say that the Victorian government now collects $500m in speed camera fines - more than any other state in Australia.

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/investigat...camera-insider

There may be a case for speed cameras in a few limited places, but I think the time has come for them to be phased out. Spend the money on other areas instead.

Yet NZ Road Policing want to install 'Average Speed Cameras', with the blessing of AA!!!

[Ocean1]

Yet NZ Road Policing want to install 'Average Speed Cameras', with the blessing of AA!!!

Saw one t'other day. White big-bodied van with two camera pods about 600mm above the roof.

The van itself were about 2200mm high.

I reckon a bit of No10 wire at 2500mm orta do.

[BoristheBiter]

Saw one t'other day. White big-bodied van with two camera pods about 600mm above the roof.

The van itself were about 2200mm high.

I reckon a bit of No10 wire at 2500mm orta do.

Wondered what that new van was, lucky i was in the truck.

[rastuscat]

So - if the most moronic cops know that fines don't work, they must also realise that any type of draconian punishment as deterrent doesn't work. 'You lot' must have some better ideas. Where are they?

Fines work for those who actually pay them, which is the majority of the population. You don't hear about that in the paper, coz it's boring. If I get a ticket, I pay it. As it happens, I haven't had one for a couple of decades, but I've paid my wifes couple of tickets, coz that's what law abiding citizens do.

We've been campaigning for fines to be reduced and demerit points to be the principle deterrent. Annette King promised to do that, but got voted out before she could. Thus far not much has changed.

Fines without points basically mean nothing to people with lots of dosh, and equally little to those who won't pay them.

Demerit points work better, as they penalize everyone the same. They used to be for road safety things, but recently they put 10 demerits on noisy vehicle tickets. Nobody ever was killed of injured by a noisy car. Go figure.

The demerit point system has some glaring anomalies that would need to be fixed before it is properly constructed. e.g. nil demerits for a red light offence, but 10 for a noisy vehicle. Nil for seatbelt offences too. Bizarre. Fail to stop at a stop sign, 20 demerits. Random.

Other ideas include a donut tax, being levied for all infringements witin 1 km of a Dunkin Donut shop. Bt hey, that's just a crazy idea (he says longingly).

So there.

[Ocean1]

So there.

I could live with that. If I got, say 10 decent pingings before I was grounded. And they still only lasted a couple of years.

The real bad bastards would still get cleaned out pretty quick but the accumulation of minor transgressions would still apply an effective brake to the general low quality behaviour.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fines work for those who actually pay them, which is the majority of the population. You don't hear about that in the paper, coz it's boring. If I get a ticket, I pay it. As it happens, I haven't had one for a couple of decades, but I've paid my wifes couple of tickets, coz that's what law abiding citizens do.

We've been campaigning for fines to be reduced and demerit points to be the principle deterrent. Annette King promised to do that, but got voted out before she could. Thus far not much has changed.

Fines without points basically mean nothing to people with lots of dosh, and equally little to those who won't pay them.

Demerit points work better, as they penalize everyone the same. They used to be for road safety things, but recently they put 10 demerits on noisy vehicle tickets. Nobody ever was killed of injured by a noisy car. Go figure.

The demerit point system has some glaring anomalies that would need to be fixed before it is properly constructed. e.g. nil demerits for a red light offence, but 10 for a noisy vehicle. Nil for seatbelt offences too. Bizarre. Fail to stop at a stop sign, 20 demerits. Random.

Other ideas include a donut tax, being levied for all infringements witin 1 km of a Dunkin Donut shop. Bt hey, that's just a crazy idea (he says longingly).

So there.

umm I've been "speeding" since da day I got me licence & I'll be "speeding" 'till the day I die. I used to pay fines & they had NO effect except pissing me off & growing my dislike of the P.I.G.s. Everyone else I know who pays them haven't "slowed down". They DON'T WORK!!! demerits will NOT work either!!! & the problem is NOT the punishment the problem is the law, the law needs to be changed & cameras need to be banned.
But don't worry Rastuscat we will make sure there will always be a way for you to earn your donuts

[rastuscat]

But don't worry Rastuscat we will make sure there will always be a way for you to earn your donuts

Whew, I was worried there for a minute.

[rastuscat]

umm I've been "speeding" since da day I got me licence & I'll be "speeding" 'till the day I die. I used to pay fines & they had NO effect except pissing me off & growing my dislike of the P.I.G.s. Everyone else I know who pays them haven't "slowed down". They DON'T WORK!!! demerits will NOT work either!!! & the problem is NOT the punishment the problem is the law, the law needs to be changed & cameras need to be banned.
But don't worry Rastuscat we will make sure there will always be a way for you to earn your donuts

Just out of interest, what would it take to change your behaviour?

[Coldrider]

Just out of interest, what would it take to change your behaviour?

LOL a 'wife' has stopped a few I know.

[rastuscat]

Forget I asked. It's obviously another case of SOE causing all the problems.

SomeOne Else.

Steve, you're a good example of the issue. Everyone says that everything else has to change, all but themselves, of course.

[Ocean1]

Forget I asked. It's obviously another case of SOE causing all the problems.

SomeOne Else.

Steve, you're a good example of the issue. Everyone says that everything else has to change, all but themselves, of course.

Allow me.

What's the problem?

[rustic101]

Saw one t'other day. White big-bodied van with two camera pods about 600mm above the roof.

The van itself were about 2200mm high.

I reckon a bit of No10 wire at 2500mm orta do.

No that one (Hyundai/ or VW) is not certified for speed camera/ revenue (haha) work. Its a different asset with a different purpose

[Ocean1]

No that one (Hyundai/ or VW) is not certified for speed camera/ revenue (haha) work. Its a different asset with a different purpose

Was pointed out to me as a trial for the speed averaging trick.

Not?

[rustic101]

Was pointed out to me as a trial for the speed averaging trick.

Not?

No - not yet. The National Manager Road Policing is bloody keen to get them in, however there is some (thank fark) resistance. There will also need to be legislative change required.

I would strongly suggest that the placement will be widely published prior to them being installed/ set up

[Ocean1]

No - not yet. The National Manager Road Policing is bloody keen to get them in, however there is some (thank fark) resistance. There will also need to be legislative change required.

I would strongly suggest that the placement will be widely published prior to them being installed/ set up

Fuckit, I'm guna top it anyway.

I hear it's entirely possible in the UK system to get pinged by them even though the average speed is well under the theoretical fastest possible. This, based on the liklihood that you exceeded the local limit at some point.

Well and truely fuckt.