Mom on Breakfast TV1

[BMWST?]

It is how Les behaved afterwards that had really distasteful flavour. And since then, one can only speculate as to his absence on KB...

i see a pretty distasteful accusation here.How do you know anything of the mans situation?There could be many many reasons for his absence "on here"Life does not revolve around kb or the people on it.Talk about speculation

[StoneY]

Someone who is not famous for being famous, he might be good at making money but he comes across as a bit of a patronizing Muppet. Do what i say cause i made some money.

He rides thousands of miles internationally each year (ergo see's how it is in other countries as well as NZ)
He knows finance (which was the KEY factor for a chair, it was almost the AA at the head)

Have you ever met him, shook his hand and had a chance to ask him how many and what brandd of bikes he rides/prefers?
Well I have dude.

And as for a Yes man, that he is not and nor is anyone else on the council
He took Nick to task on details right in my presence...and Nick himself did not want yes men

Gareth pushed Nick Smith for a single levy even...you judge the man harshly on nil information....in fact you outright insult his spirit and intelegence

[admenk]

There could be many many reasons for his absence "on here"Life does not revolve around kb or the people on it.Talk about speculation

He might be too busy actually riding a bike to spend much time on KB?..just like the rest of us.

[Voltaire]

Good on her!!!

Interesting article in this mornings Dom

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...t-picks-Morgan

hmmm $2000000/$30 = 66666 bikes.....( in Vincent Price Voice) ....Its an unearthly number....

[Katman]

I will be very interested to see how the MSL is spent. There have been examples posted on here of highly effective advertising campaigns that the Australians have come up with and I would be horrified to see our answer to those ads being more of the 'regaining our man-trol' bullshit ad that New Zealand has recently produced.

Rider training and attitude adjustment must be the focus of any spending that is done.

I am also highly concerned at how a public snubbing of the funds placed at our disposal will make us look to the general public.

[MSTRS:Me]

i see a pretty distasteful accusation here.How do you know anything of the mans situation?There could be many many reasons for his absence "on here"Life does not revolve around kb or the people on it.Talk about speculation

You are right. I don't know his reasons for no longer posting here.
But I do know he was almost violently opposed to any levy increase on bikes, he did go into a meeting with Nick the Prick (along with others), and he did come out of that meeting with a very different 'tune'.
Make of that what you will, but lots of us felt he 'sold out' and of course we will speculate what his 'price' was - especially since little more was heard from him.
I don't wish to impugn Les, but I'm not alone in feeling this way. Nor in feeling the whole MSL thing is a great big steaming pile of...

[martybabe]

Back to the TV segment... I think both sides did well, Mom put over the ongoing message that the levy is outrageously high and discriminatory and mustacheo man got over the point that something has to be done to reduce the Motorcycle road toll.

Reduced deaths and reduced levies are both winners in my book but you can't blame people for being sceptical about the MSL, we have been royally shafted by this government and the ACC creative accounting department.

Lets be Open here, Nick Smith and his Cronies are not above bare faced lying so any group working alongside him are bound to be met with a certain amount of suspicion.

Prove the doubters wrong MSL and stand up for motorcyclists by doing the job on our behalf not the government piggy bank and you will surely have my support.

Mom already has it of course

[Ocean1]

I am also highly concerned at how a public snubbing of the funds placed at our disposal will make us look to the general public.

Placed at our disposal?

Tell you what, tell them to stick it up their arse and give it back to the people they took it off eh?

[BMWST?]

You are right. I don't know his reasons for no longer posting here.
But I do know he was almost violently opposed to any levy increase on bikes, he did go into a meeting with Nick the Prick (along with others), and he did come out of that meeting with a very different 'tune'.
Make of that what you will, but lots of us felt he 'sold out' and of course we will speculate what his 'price' was - especially since little more was heard from him.
I don't wish to impugn Les, but I'm not alone in feeling this way. Nor in feeling the whole MSL thing is a great big steaming pile of...

i got a speculation for you.....he put a lot of effort into bikeoi, he was overwhelmed at the support and perhaps thought we were on the cusp of something extra ordinary,but the result was nothing more than political bullshit.He was bitterly disapointed and has taken a step back.
Your suggestion is nothing short of libellous.This is my last response to your statement.Unless you got some sort of proof for your man on the knoll theory i suggest it is your s too.

[FJRider]

I will be very interested to see how the MSL is spent. There have been examples posted on here of highly effective advertising campaigns that the Australians have come up with and I would be horrified to see our answer to those ads being more of the 'regaining our man-trol' bullshit ad that New Zealand has recently produced.

Rider training and attitude adjustment must be the focus of any spending that is done.

I am also highly concerned at how a public snubbing of the funds placed at our disposal will make us look to the general public.

So ... where ... and how, are requests/submissions made for the use of "OUR" money ...???

Rider training is a start ... but who gets the training to start with ... ???
Obviously not just learners .... as "experienced" riders fall off the road too ...

[Katman]

Placed at our disposal?

Tell you what, tell them to stick it up their arse and give it back to the people they took it off eh?

If you or any motorcycling organisation believes that they can reverse the huge rego increase from a year ago (the whole thing - not just the $30 MSL) then go for your life.

I however, don't see the slightest likelihood of that happening. Therefore, from here we must concentrate on damage limitation and ensuring that in 6 or 12 months time we're not hit with another similar increase.

I feel it's important that we see the MSL as a lifeline we have been thrown. We need to embrace it and use it in an attempt to drag motorcycling back from the brink that it has found itself at.

[Katman]

So ... where ... and how, are requests/submissions made for the use of "OUR" money ...???

Rider training is a start ... but who gets the training to start with ... ???
Obviously not just learners .... as "experienced" riders fall off the road too ...

Personally, one of the things I most want to see some of the funds used for is to formulate and initiate a specific defensive riding course that is created by motorcyclists for the direct benefit of motorcyclists (scooter riders included).

The current defensive riding course, which appears to be devoid of motorcycle specific skills, sounds like a total farce.

[StoneY]

Prove the doubters wrong MSL and stand up for motorcyclists by doing the job on our behalf not the government piggy bank and you will surely have my support.

Mom already has it of course

Best post yet.
Fair call.

Judge me and the other appointee's in 2 years when our term is up
Cheers
I'm out of this thread now .......nothing more to say...except Katman's making good sense here too (yep..I said it!)

[DEATH_INC.]

Personally, one of the things I most want to see some of the funds used for is to formulate and initiate a specific defensive riding course that is created by motorcyclists for the direct benefit of motorcyclists (scooter riders included).

The current defensive riding course, which appears to be devoid of motorcycle specific skills, sounds like a total farce.

Shit. This makes a bit of sense. A compulsory motorcycle specific defensive drivers (riders) course. That may work.

[FJRider]

Personally, one of the things I most want to see ...

The current defensive riding course, which appears to be devoid of motorcycle specific skills, sounds like a total farce.

Not an answer to my question ... So ...I guess you dont know ...

There are Qualified Motorcycle riding instruction organisations in place throughout the country NOW, who ARE qualified to provide the specific skills you mention. Has anybody asked THEM for input ... ???

Or ... is it only personal agenda's planned ... by those in the position to make the agenda's ... ???