Mom on Breakfast TV1

[Katman]

Shit. This makes a bit of sense. A compulsory motorcycle specific defensive drivers (riders) course. That may work.

I wasn't game enough to use the word compulsory but now that you've used it - fuck yeah!

[Katman]

There are Qualified Motorcycle riding instruction organisations in place throughout the country NOW, who ARE qualified to provide the specific skills you mention. Has anybody asked THEM for input ... ???

There's a big difference between teaching people how to ride and teaching people how to ride defensively.

[riffer]

There's a big difference between teaching people how to ride and teaching people how to ride defensively.

Personally I'd love to see the coppers use Dangerous Driving (or Riding) more often, instead of focusing on velocity. And judges back it up. Compulsory defensive driving courses and no licence back until you can prove beyond a doubt that you've learned what that means.

Better yet, make compulsory attendance and a certain pass level mandatory for gaining the licence.

Also I'd like to see retesting as well. Every time your licence comes up for renewal (every ten years).

[FJRider]

Shit. This makes a bit of sense. A compulsory motorcycle specific defensive drivers (riders) course. That may work.

And/or ordered as well by the courts, for traffic offences (infringements ???)

[DEATH_INC.]

Personally I'd love to see the coppers use Dangerous Driving (or Riding) more often, instead of focusing on velocity. And judges back it up. Compulsory defensive driving courses and no licence back until you can prove beyond a doubt that you've learned what that means.

Yep, as long as they don't get carried away and use it instead of all speeding charges....

Better yet, make compulsory attendance and a certain pass level mandatory for gaining the licence.

Yes.

Also I'd like to see retesting as well. Every time your licence comes up for renewal (every ten years).

And yes again, I'd like to see this for cages too.

[riffer]

Yep, as long as they don't get carried away and use it instead of all speeding charges....

I dunno. It could work. There's NO WAY the courts can cope with that amount of cases if the cops charge us with DD instead of speeding - that's why I reckon it would put the acid on them to actually have a reason to give dangerous.

Exceeding speed limit isn't by itself proof of dangerous behaviour. However sometimes, driving or riding at close to (but still under) is dangerous but still legal.

[cromagnon]

Im doing a defensive driving course currently, according to the lady taking it (also the manager of the place) they are in the process of changing defensive driving courses at the moment including the specific car (first licence = teen) course that everyone does at the moment, plus a specific motorcycle and experienced driver courses in defensive driving. It should be mandatory rather than just something you have to do to get time off the licence.

[FJRider]

There's a big difference between teaching people how to ride and teaching people how to ride defensively.

Teaching people to ride properly, with road skills appropriate for the riders level ... is being defensive. Rider training organisations are in place to provide the level of both practical AND theoretical training required. I would be supprised indeed, if those people put their hand up and say they couldn't do it ...

Still not an answer to the questions I asked though ...

[Paul in NZ]

Mind you - if there IS money to be spent on safety.... How about a bit of research to see who IS doing all this crashing? Age, sex, bike type?

[Katman]

Still not an answer to the questions I asked though ...

Sorry, if your question is "how do you go about submitting ideas for the use of the MSL" my answer is, I don't know.

[FJRider]

Sorry, if your question is "how do you go about submitting ideas for the use of the MSL" my answer is, I don't know.

Perhaps we can ALL start asking questions to those that ARE in a position to answer ...

Thank you for answering as best you could. Personal agendas of some prevent valid answers being given. Either through ignorance or arrogance ... the result is the same ...

My thanks to StonY for your PM ... a few answers ...

[Pussy]

Katman, Death Inc and Riffer....

Good stuff, guys! Love your work!!

[jafar]

Despite what a lot seem to think we are stuck with the MSL, at least for now.
Nearly $3,000,000 to be spent on reducing the motorcycle related death toll. That is a fair amount of change in anyones language.
That the distribution of these funds is to be decided by people who actually ride & have an interest in motorcycling is forward thinking.
Gareth Morgan, Brent & the other members of the committee have a lot of work to do to achieve the goals set for them.
Some have come up with some good ideas so far, we would be better off if we came up with more good ideas to help them achieve what WE want to get from our $30.00

[FJRider]

Exceeding speed limit isn't by itself proof of dangerous behaviour. However sometimes, driving or riding at close to (but still under) is dangerous but still legal.

If it is dangerous ... it is not legal.

Speed in itself if not the danger ... but the time/place/manner in which it is caught determines the charge ...

[Ocean1]

If you or any motorcycling organisation believes that they can reverse the huge rego increase from a year ago (the whole thing - not just the $30 MSL) then go for your life.

What’s the relevance there? A bunch of professional liars with a vested interest in that course chose to use the opportunity afforded them by a few pathetic toads to rip off a minority. If anyone need be held responsible for that minority’s loss it’s you and your toadying mates.

I feel it's important that we see the MSL as a lifeline we have been thrown. We need to embrace it and use it in an attempt to drag motorcycling back from the brink that it has found itself at.

And I feel it’s important to point out that this whole sentence reeks of a sycophantic ingratiation. Far from any lifeline the MSL fund is in fact the result of a draconian and unjust rort. It shouldn’t surprise me to find you’d like to get your fingers in the till. The brink we find ourselves on has been caused not by those you routinely abuse but you and your grey kowtowing mates. Fuck you.