Power to weight restriction

**quickbuck** · 23rd April 2009, 21:31

They may very well hand out exemptions Steve, but for joe average the easiest way is to buy a 250.
The unfortunate part of the whole thing is there are some 250's that clearly are not suitable for the learner rider.... and there are many 400's and even some 650's that are totally suitable.

**CookMySock** · 23rd April 2009, 22:05

If the bike in question is on the LAMS list, just fill out the form, pay yer 22 bucks, and they will give it to you. It's not difficult whatsoever, even for average people.

Completely agree re suitability. It's a good thing that riders now have a lot more choice. My 650 was completely unsuitable for my learner license. The damn thing was way too powerful and difficult to steer for a newbie. 80hp is not a learner bike.

Steve

**quickbuck** · 23rd April 2009, 22:31

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

If the bike in question is on the LAMS list, just fill out the form, pay yer 22 bucks, and they will give it to you. It's not difficult whatsoever, even for average people.

Completely agree re suitability. It's a good thing that riders now have a lot more choice. My 650 was completely unsuitable for my learner license. The damn thing was way too powerful and difficult to steer for a newbie. 80hp is not a learner bike.

Steve

Is it as easy as that?
Not that I have to do it, but many people ask me if you can.

Thanks for that.

**bigfella** · 25th April 2009, 16:04

just curious as there would be others like me, if this new law comes in does it mean other riders on their restricted goin for full, which i will be next year in february, would we have to get a less powerful bike or what do we all think will happen in those situations

**Shadows** · 25th April 2009, 22:45

Originally Posted by bigfella

just curious as there would be others like me, if this new law comes in does it mean other riders on their restricted goin for full, which i will be next year in february, would we have to get a less powerful bike or what do we all think will happen in those situations

Magna 250? You'll be sweet.

**MDR2** · 26th April 2009, 09:42

Originally Posted by motorcyclesonline.net

I rang Ministry of Transport & spoke to a Mr Woodside who informed me that all proposals put forward by the previous Labour Government have been put on the "Back Burner" .
There is no agenda for discussion this year and if it debated next year [2010] will not become law until 2011

Bill
www.motorcyclesonline.net

We have a good selection of 250's

Indeed, a very good selection of red Hornets.....

cheekyness aside, I was spying some of your auctions on trademe, your prices seemed pretty reasonable for a dealer. and from memory shiiping costs looked reasonable too.

**tigertim20** · 26th April 2009, 16:23

Originally Posted by bigfella

just curious as there would be others like me, if this new law comes in does it mean other riders on their restricted goin for full, which i will be next year in february, would we have to get a less powerful bike or what do we all think will happen in those situations

You mean what would happen to a person on their learners NOW with a bike that exceeds the power to weight limit?
I imagine that the law would be for all licences issued from the date the act was passed onwards, and would allow a grace period for those who obtained their licences earlier to get onto their full.
Im sure somebody will quickly correct me if I am wrong

**sleemanj** · 30th April 2009, 11:58

Finally I have an official reply.

The main statement from the letter is: "Motorcycle safety is likely to be a key area of concern under [the Road Safety to 2020 strategy document]"

The minister says that this "Strategy" is being developed and will be released for comment later this year.

He hopes to have this strategy in place next year -- now of course that doesn't mean a LAM will be in place next year, just the general idea to look into the possibility of having a LAM as part of a strategy at some point before 2020 :-)

Reading between the lines, the LAM was a Labour thing, and with the change of Government they have naturally gone back to square one which is looking at the issues and thinking about what they could think about doing.

**Jaffadutch** · 11th June 2009, 09:03

Hello all, ive not been on for a while but i passed my learners license and have been flying around on a 250cc for a few months now....love motorbikes.
Cant belive i waited until i was 36 to go for a bike.

Anyway, i have been told by various different people about this LAM report,
Id like to get a bigger bike due to im quite a big guy..6'6" and 125kg and find the 250cc to small and too light.
I looked at the lam and found the S40 is on the list.....

The question is how do i go about asking for exemption? Do they still allow exemption? What info do i send if i can still try?

thanks Glen

**Holy Roller** · 11th June 2009, 14:12

Hi Glen
You will need to go to a driver licencing agent
Fill in the DL4 exemption form and pay a non refundable fee of $22.20
Give as much info about size and age and any prior riding experience.
Get a photo of yourself on a small bike then on the S40 to show the comparison.
each case is dealt on its own merits. you will be replied to with in 20 days.
Hope this helps.

The LAM bill is going before parliment on the 20th of this month.

**CookMySock** · 11th June 2009, 19:33

Originally Posted by Holy Roller

The LAM bill is going before parliment on the 20th of this month.

Shit, is it? This will be interesting then. I thought that was permanently on the back burner.

Steve

**jono035** · 11th June 2009, 19:40

As in actually voting on it as in if no-one has any objections it becomes law in some (relatively short) period of time?

And that bill had the removal of the 70km/hr restriction as a recommendation too didn't it?

Edit - yes it does include a recommendation about the removal of the 70km/hr learner speed limit and sonofabitch one of the recommendations is changing the restricted license time for over-25s from 6 months to 12 months... anyone know if the advanced rider skills course will still only knock 3 months off the license or will scale up to 6 months? It goes 6 months to 3 months for over-25s and 18 months to 12 months for under-25s currently...

Either way, it'll basically kick in days before I can get my full under the old rules no doubt...

**BiK3RChiK** · 11th June 2009, 21:11

Errr....Re: The Lam Bill... surely there'll be readings and amendments to come? or are 'they' going to do a sneaky and slip it through hoping no-one will notice, cause as I read some of those proposed amendments, they need changing! How do we find out about this one?

**Breed777** · 12th June 2009, 16:09

Originally Posted by jimjim

wouldnt want to have paid $6000 for a 15 year old 250 now

I dunno, some poeple really like the style of the older 250 CBR FZR GSXR bikes...

**Breed777** · 12th June 2009, 16:20

Originally Posted by McJim

Done a bit of calc on this one and I reckon all but the most aggresive 250s will be fine. If Ixion is correct (and he usually is) I reckon you can get up to 46 hp for a 140kg bike so that should suit ZXR and CBR 250 owners. The RG150 with it's 127kg would have an allowance of 43.5 hp.

RGV250, RS250, NSR250 and TZR250 owners will be proper facked though.

No too up on my bike knowledge.... what does this mean for a GSXR250 rider on a L plate (Restricted by end of 2009)?