Power to weight restriction

[jimmy 2006]

bah, just read 2010..... i will have my full by then anyway.

[Mikkel]

Im very glad these points were brought up. All these over 25's who, just because they are over 25, can go from basic handling to a full license (and of course straight onto a big bike) in 6 months or less or whatever it is with a defensive course)

Of course us younguns have to do the whole 9 yards (2 years minimum) (ive personally done 5 years) before they get their full - which is how it should be - because we actually learn how to ride in that time.

Anyone can learn to ride a bike in under an hour. But it takes a shite sight more than 6 months to learn how to ride, and there is obviously correlation with them not staying alive.

I see it all the time, a dude who decides he wants to ride bikes, has money, gets his basic handling, does the defensive course, does his full on a GN, then goes and buys something big, flash and new like a Busa, with all the bling, then say all expensive flash gear (ie. alpinestars) and give the impression that they can ride. Well I saw a guy fitting that description on the ATNR a few times, couldnt ride for shit.

You may not have thought about it this way - but...

Surviving on the road is not about how wide chicken strips you have got or how fast you can corner.

Riding a big bike safely has more to do with restraint and discipline - virtues that for most people manifest themselves with experience/age/maturity, not by display of balls.

As it was, it's possible to obtain your 6F in 9 months from the day you get your BHS if you are above 25. I think it is 15 months for those under 25. These figures are if you do an approved cause while on your restricted.

I don't know if you would dispute that safe road-use is very dependent upon your ability to read traffic and exercise safe judgement based on what you observe. As such, anyone who holds a full license in ANY category should be excused from the learners period IMHO - the restricted is all good, but putting people with 10+ years of roaduser experience on an L-plate just makes no sense whatsoever.

[Grub]

Its a bit of a shocker when you read that registrations have gone up 28% since 2001 and that fatalities have gone up 80% in the same time

[James Deuce]

Its a bit of a shocker when you read that registrations have gone up 28% since 2001 and that fatalities have gone up 80% in the same time

It should be a shock.

But it isn't.

[Fatjim]

I think if everyone who wanted a license for anything had to have a bike license first for 2 years the bike toll would start to drop once the old bastards who have never rode died off.

[Dave C]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10500713

Some good ideas, such as looking at power-to-weight rather than just engine size for newbies, and doing away with the 70k limit. But the sting in the tail is – where the f*%k is the training and increased focus on the REAL problem, which is dickheads in cars!! Three out of four accidents involving bikes are not the fault of the rider (according to none other than ACC Minister Maryan Street)! Watch out for the 'discussion paper', because if bikers don't voice an opinion, others will...

[RantyDave]

I have a VTR250 for slightly over a week - and this happens.

Great. Just great.

Still, I could have paid through the nose for a 15 year old ZXR250 - they're going to be the ones really taking it in the face come resale time. And the Hyosung owners. Ahhh, I'm starting to feel better already.

It is good news though. There seems something right about a learner being able to use a Bonneville.

Dave

[WelshWizard]

Motorcycle rules revved up
The Government is gearing up to reduce the high rate of motorcycle accidents by proposing tougher rules plus measures to improve training. What will it mean for riders?

[MSTRS:Me]

Re the suspected price drop...I think we will find that some models of 4 stroke 250's will hold very well, due to their power/weight/ultimate speed. The ZXR is an obvious one. The other thing is that many of the better performing 250's are shed-loads better than 9/10s of the 'list'. Won't be long before word gets around as to which ones.

[SPman]

all the dealers are going to be screwed just think of the sales that will happen, 250 prices should almost halve at the shops, and i doubt you will be able to give them away on tard me.

But - at least they will be more affordable to those who actually want a 250 mini racer.
When you are tired of unlimited power, they are a ball to go out and have fun on!

[BAD DAD]

I think if everyone who wanted a license for anything had to have a bike license first for 2 years the bike toll would start to drop once the old bastards who have never rode died off.

Amen. (+ 10 charac )

[jrandom]

tired of unlimited power

Huh?

[Eddieb]

BLOODY GOOD IDEA.
SO who's gonna be the first to come up with a restricter kit for CBR/GSXR/r6/636/tt600 etc to pull them down to the right HP level?

In the UK you can buy kits to do that for a lot of bikes, even a Hayabusa.

If you are a leaner that list certainly givers you a lot of choice.

[Shadows]

Question:
Is it legal to express your displeasure of noisy cars, random youfs riding in a dangerous and illegal fashion, etc etc. by heaving a warning cobblestone over the front wall of your section? (I'd throw a cowpat, or pie, but there aren't any of those stacked up behind my wall).

I'm not sure but I've used a brick before and I didn't get arrested or anything. On that basis a wee cobblestone should be fine.

[dipshit]

But the sting in the tail is – where the f*%k is the training and increased focus on the REAL problem, which is dickheads in cars!! Three out of four accidents involving bikes are not the fault of the rider (according to none other than ACC Minister Maryan Street)

Because that isn't the real problem. It is a red herring fostered by the likes of BRONZ and others in the motorcycle industry to avoid facing up to some unpleasant truths.

75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are rider fault.

Counting all motorcycle accidents, it is about 50/50.

Remember the ministers were consulting with the motorcycle industry about this, so they probably told her their usual BS.