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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    It's a pity then that the CC limit is 660 - the choice for cruiser enthusiasts is looking a bit slim frankly
    Again, I bet we see the restricted version of the Hyosung 650 cruiser being packed into crates and sent to New Zealand very damn soon

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    Interesting...

    Over the last few weeks i have been fighting with LTSA driver licencing over this exact thing, after having my exemtion for the cc rating declined i fought back and have been in discussons last week with GDLS Exemptions Business Support section who are reviewing the case and requested all sorts of stuff and i sent them all the information on the aussie system that looks to become law....

    Sweeeet!


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    strange list, what nut thinks a DR650 is right for a learner, there MAD, the one I ride is front end light so you can barely give it any right hand with out it standing up and begging,
    As this is Election year, is there even a chance of this getting through legislation before the election, sound like they are trying to grab some votes for the Election to me.

    Believe it when its law not before.

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    I'm looking forward to picking up an Aprilia RS250 track day toy for around $5,000 or less
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    A very valid point. One concerning point about all this, is that it is an invidious distinction between motorcyclists and cagers. Cagers have NO capacity or weight / power restrictions. Why then should we ? Cagers will not have to wait 12 months on their R if over 25 . Why should we ?

    Is it fair that motorcyclists should be singled out for more restrictive conditions than their four wheeled cousins ?
    I would suggest the answer to that lies in the first few paragraphs. 25% increase in motorcyclists. 80% increase in injury accidents.

    When we start seeing similar figures from cagers then I believe there will be more of a case. Like it or not, motorcycles look dangerous ATM.

    And I think they're spot on with the older riders needing more time on a learners. I came back to motorcycling from ten years away about 5 1/2 years ago and chose a 100+HP 750. With the benefit of hindsight I would say I would probably have been better off with a 400.

    God forbid though that they should take your licence away from you if you don't own a motorcycle for a while.

    But I definitely think there's benefit in testing at regular intervals. Perhaps as a punishment for bad driving/riding you could be forced to do a re-sit?
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    Done a bit of calc on this one and I reckon all but the most aggresive 250s will be fine. If Ixion is correct (and he usually is) I reckon you can get up to 46 hp for a 140kg bike so that should suit ZXR and CBR 250 owners. The RG150 with it's 127kg would have an allowance of 43.5 hp.

    RGV250, RS250, NSR250 and TZR250 owners will be proper facked though.
    I didn't think you could road registrer the RS250 in the first place!?!

    But yeah, the pre-92 ZXR250s will be sweet. 149 kg + 90 kg for rider and fluids, 34 kW -> 143 kW/ton. So these will probably be the most sporty bikes you can get that'll meet the restrictions. I doubt prices will drop that much...

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    Believe it when its law not before.
    As long as they wait until at least the 17th of June before bringing it in I couldn't care less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RantyDave View Post
    Again, I bet we see the restricted version of the Hyosung 650 cruiser being packed into crates and sent to New Zealand very damn soon
    Yeah, but while I love the look of the GV250, I'm spectacularly indifferent to the GV650. I just don't like it. Not fond of the real bikes it's modelled on either. What I'd love to see is Hyosung make a bigger engined version of the GV250 - same style, but more grunt. Not likely to happen, but it's nice to dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    I didn't think you could road registrer the RS250 in the first place!?!
    You're shitting me right? I've seen loads of those wee Italian Stallions on the open road with L plates on..60hp and a L plate....wow!


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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    When we start seeing similar figures from cagers then I believe there will be more of a case. Like it or not, motorcycles look dangerous ATM.
    You're right. Whenever a group cause a blip on the radar statistically, then the spotlight comes on them.

    Young drivers are starting to cause some pretty bad statistics with cars now too. Some of the things they are thinking of to combat this, is raising the driving age and introducing compulsory 3rd party insurance, so as to create some personal responsibility because the worse your driving record and the more you fall into the "risk group" the more you will have to pay.

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    Actually i reckon they're on the right track.

    The 250 limit was always a farce when you could buy a really really wild bike like an RS250 aprilia that's bloody hard to ride as a novice.

    in euroland they have horsepower limits and that's a better angle.

    That said, they should do exactly the same with tin tops.
    16 year olds in 300HP subarus are possibly the most dangerous things on the roads.

    they should be limited to 70HP diahatsu miras etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    I'm looking forward to picking up an Aprilia RS250 track day toy for around $5,000 or less
    You know and I know that is unrealistic! Unless it's in absolute shambles you won't get an RS250 that cheap... Not matter what the license restrictions might be.

    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    You're shitting me right? I've seen loads of those we Italian Stallions on the open road with L plates on..60hp and a L plate....wow!


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    True I had a brain fart - I was thinking about Hondas Grand Prix bike

    And I agree - it's not a good choice for a first bike unless you have heaps of riding experience from somewhere else (and the discipline to not kill yourself!)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Actually i reckon they're on the right track.

    The 250 limit was always a farce when you could buy a really really wild bike like an RS250 aprilia that's bloody hard to ride as a novice.

    in euroland they have horsepower limits and that's a better angle.

    That said, they should do exactly the same with tin tops.
    16 year olds in 300HP subarus are possibly the most dangerous things on the roads.

    they should be limited to 70HP diahatsu miras etc
    That would be easily solved by compulsory 3rd party insurance for *all* road vehicles. It would also solve the issue of young inexperienced riders picking up rice-rockets for their first motorcycle unless they have a good insurance history to sweeten the deal for the insurance company.

    I am pretty confident that compulsory 3rd party insurance would solve a lot of the trouble that NZ has with regards to road tolls. (E.g. if you're a fuckwit driver with several incidents behind you - well then no insurance company will insure your precious piece of shit HSV (just an example - could be a ford for all I care) and your career as a road bully takes a drastic turn as you have to settle for sensible people movers like a standard toyota corolla (mind you, these are pretty damn good cars make no mistake about it!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    I didn't think you could road registrer the RS250 in the first place!?!
    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    You're shitting me right? I've seen loads of those wee Italian Stallions on the open road with L plates on..60hp and a L plate....wow!

    I think Mikkel was thinking of the Honda RS250, the two-stroke racer.

    Honda RS250

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    That would be easily solved by compulsory 3rd party insurance for *all* road vehicles. It would also solve the issue of young inexperienced riders picking up rice-rockets for their first motorcycle unless they have a good insurance history to sweeten the deal for the insurance company.
    I agree, in fact BOTH HP limits AND compulsory insurance are good ideas for cars and bikes

    you need the other because there will always be spoilt brats with rich daddy's who don't care how much insurance costs

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    So... under this new system will there be a distinction between learner and restricted licences? At the moment the only distinctions are the L plate and the 70km/h limit (as far as I know, hope I'm not making a fool of myself by forgetting something) so if they get rid of the 70km/h limit, wouldn't they just be the same?

    Also yeah the curfew is dumb, personally I think riding around town late at night is much safer than in the day! Almost non-existent traffic and it being dark means it's easy to see headlights.

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