Power to weight restriction

[Japtwin]

If the other party dosnt pay up you lose you no claim till they do.

My point exactly; insurance companies will always cover their ass first and foremost, they are there to make money out of their policy holders. Helping you out is their secondary consideration. I agree that this situation sucks as its totally not of your doing, however forcing everyone to have 3rd party means that a large number are forced to pay to subsidise someone elses failure; screw that.

[Kickaha]

I think you're allowed to ride scooters and mopeds on your car license...

There is a HP and CC retsriction on doing that

[PrincessBandit]

ah well, better watch out I don't RAM YA then

DB

You'd NEVER do that, I'm sure, you're too nice

[Mikkel]

There is a HP and CC retsriction on doing that

Yeah, but you're still allowed to ride the little beasties above 70 km/h (if you can get it up there...), ride between 10 pm and 5 am, take a pillion, etc. All of this without even having a learners motorcycle license. You just need a full class 1.

Which is pretty ridiculous considering some of the 6L and 6R restrictions! (for the record I think it's the 6L and 6R restrictions that are ridiculous)

[PrincessBandit]

however forcing everyone to have 3rd party means that a large number are forced to pay to subsidise someone elses failure; screw that.

Isn't that what the rest of us who have insurance are doing in a way? Life is soooo unfair.

[MidnightMike]

My little friend who has just purchased an RGV is a tad nervous.
At 150KW per tonne there are going to be a lot of 250s excluded?

The rule is that you will now need a full class 6 license to ride a 2 stroke 250cc bike. All the rules for the other 250s will remain the same im pretty sure.

Also, is there ANY distinction between "motorcycle riders" and scooter riders? Because I've seen a massive increase in the number of squids on scooters, but not so much an increase in learner motorcycle riders.

It's drummed into us time and again that traffic is the most dangerous place, yet the vast majority of learner traffic riders are on scooters - and they're seldom wearing any gear!

Got that right, most of them are pimply little 15 year olds riding around like little shitheads. Even a few days ago I saw someone jumping speed bumps on their one in a t shirt and jeans raping the crap out of their already pathetic excuse for suspenion (made a great crunching sound when it landed) And a helmet is all 95% of them wear. Im still waiting to witness someone leaving half of there skin on the road after a little slide in a t shirt and shorts. *ouch*

There is a HP and CC retsriction on doing that

Sure is, 2kw and 50cc, and something about being capable of only 50 or 60kph, but thats ridiculously anyway, with hills, tail winds etc.

[Coyote]

LMFAO. Technological developments - there hasn't been made a new powerful 250 ccm road bike for quite a few years now...

I lol'd at that one too.

Geezzz, so many pages to read. Gonna take a while before I can speak my opinion without repeating someone else.

[Jiminy]

List of approved motorcycles for the aussie scheme here. Will be the same of very similaralar.

Yeah, the Ural and the GV650R are on The List

Is it fair that motorcyclists should be singled out for more restrictive conditions than their four wheeled cousins ?

Hopefully the cagers are next. But even if not, the proposal is such an improvement!

Also yeah the curfew is dumb, personally I think riding around town late at night is much safer than in the day! Almost non-existent traffic and it being dark means it's easy to see headlights.

Got to disagree here. As much as I've hated the curfew, I can see its place. I don't even dare to think of the drivers/riders we would find on the road on week-end nights without the curfew!

Hope the govt eventually follow Aussie on the 'turning left gives way' rule. NZ adopted this soon after Oz. Oz repealed this 9 months later because it doesn't work, did NZ follow their advise........no

If only. It would be about time to get rid of that rule like the rest of the world!

[discotex]

My point exactly; insurance companies will always cover their ass first and foremost, they are there to make money out of their policy holders. Helping you out is their secondary consideration. I agree that this situation sucks as its totally not of your doing, however forcing everyone to have 3rd party means that a large number are forced to pay to subsidise someone elses failure; screw that.

I'd be all for voluntary 3rd party insurance if the fucker that knocks me off my bike will be forced to pay immediately regardless if they have insurance or not. If they have no money then I seize their assests. If they have no assests then I get to chop off a finger/toe/ball. etc etc etc... If those were the rules I'd agree with you.

The reality is that most people don't/won't/can't pay up so I'd rather pay my share to know they're forced to so I can get my car fixed. I'll pay my bit and no whinge in case I fuck up and the world will go around much smoother.

And yes the insurance industry will get their cut. But only because people aren't prepared to do the decent thing in the first place.

[quallman1234]

So you get rid of the 250 2 smokers? - There's what about 5 people with learners riding these?

and Add a heap of 250 cc + bikes for learners.

And you expect the deaths/crashes to lower?

Doesn't make sense to me but hell im not complaining now!

[Swoop]

If there is a little bit of confusion in this thread, just remember that several threads have been merged into this one.

[lb99]

Cracked me up though, as you aren't allowed a TZ 250, but an RD350 is sweet?
.....

thats fuckin cool, I am slowly cooking up an RD350 in my garage that promises to be a fuckin weapon, I don't see my CBX400F on the list, but the RD will be fine, that suits me nicely

[pritch]

Yeah, but you're still allowed to ride the little beasties above 70 km/h (if you can get it up there...), ride between 10 pm and 5 am, take a pillion, etc. All of this without even having a learners motorcycle license. You just need a full class 1.
Which is pretty ridiculous considering some of the 6L and 6R restrictions! (for the record I think it's the 6L and 6R restrictions that are ridiculous)

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here.

Do not learner and restricted car drivers also have restrictions? I'm assuming that these restrictions also apply if they ride a moped. Also I understand passengers are not permitted on a moped at any time.

I'm aware that there's always going to be an exception, but exceeding 70kph on a moped is well into wet dream territory...

[CookMySock]

You'd NEVER do that, I'm sure, you're too nice

indeed. I'm of the opinion that YOUR rights are more important than MY rights. I submit that if we all took this line, that the world would be a better place. or something..

DB

[Ragingrob]

Hmmm so CBRs and ZXRs and the such are all allowed... But I thought that these were the pocket rockets that they weren't wanting?