Brian Tamaki a Bishop!

[Lou Girardin]

Does that mean his followers constitute a Bishopric. Or are they just dumb prics?

[vifferman]

Did you know that the Catholic church in Nz is one of the wealthest organisation? They have a large holding of properties. Most of Mission Bay, St Heliers, Kohimarama area belongs to the church on leasehold to owners. They also invest church money on the stockmarket.

Yes, I did know that.

I've also seen that documentary on C4 - "Popetown", and seen how the Pope and his henchman live.

[Ixion]

Does that mean his followers constitute a Bishopric. Or are they just dumb prics?

No, they would be a diocese. But, no matter what he calls himself, he is not a bishop. There is a requirement called the "Apostolic Succession" that says that any bishop has to be ordained by a bishop who was himself ordained etc in an unbroken line back to St Peter. (The Churchs of Rome , Antoich , Constaninople, and England argue vehemently about the Apostolic Succession , but all agree on it's necessity)

You can't just call yourself a bishop, it's not just a title

[NC]

I don't know about you , MrMelon. But I feel like cutting some hands off.


It's a joke, Quasi

[Paul in NZ]

I don't know about you , MrMelon. But I feel like cutting some hands off.


It's a joke, Quasi

Well if you started with each other it WOULD keep the number of your posts down!

Just a thought!

[Ms Piggy]

anyone moaning about destiny and tithing 10% oughta do some reading of the Old Testament. Some of his other ideas may not be so easy to understand (I don't) but the tithing one seems popular to beat on.

I'll take ya up on this one CK - I (like Hitcher) don't have a problem with the concept of tithing but I do find it amusing that a lot of Tamaki types say that Christians are living under the New Testament, not the Old Testament law but are all too willing to trot out the tithing rhetoric when it suits. Could you tell me where tithing is mentioned in the New Testament? (genuine question btw)

I do however have a HUGE problem with Tamaki's prosperity doctrines and his general love of money and possessions. I just think his example is a far cry from the Jesus of the bible who was (from my limited understanding) a humble man, with few possessions, who gave genuine help to those in need rather than charging them money to come and see him perform! I mean c'mon - how could any genuine Christian say what Tamaki is doing is biblical???

I do wonder how many of those that moan about tithing and christians being stupid for giving their money to the church actually do their own form of social welfare to the same degree? Any takers? Those in glass houses...

Btw way CK - I do donate to non-religious causes and in fact part of my motivation for becoming a social worker was due to my personal frustration over hypocrisy within the church i.e. a lot of people talking the talk but not walking the walk.

[TwoSeven]

As I pointed out in my early post, new or old testiment - there is no tithing in the bible. Its just christian bullshit.

Anyone who disagrees, go get a bible and quote me the bit that says how to tithe and to whom.

[Ms Piggy]

As I pointed out in my early post, new or old testiment - there is no tithing in the bible. Its just christian bullshit.

Anyone who disagrees, go get a bible and quote me the bit that says how to tithe and to whom.

Yeah cheers - read that after I had posted. Thanks.

[Hitcher]

As I pointed out in my early post, new or old testiment - there is no tithing in the bible. Its just christian bullshit.

Anyone who disagrees, go get a bible and quote me the bit that says how to tithe and to whom.

Try Leviticus 27:30; 27:32
Numbers 18:26
Deuteronomy 12:16

That should give you some answers to your questions.

[Big Dave]

'Why do they....titter so, centuwion?'
'I think it's a joke name sir, like
Sillyous Sodus or Bigus Dickus...'

[Hitcher]

'Why do they....titter so, centuwion?'
'I think it's a joke name sir, like
Sillyous Sodus or Bigus Dickus...'

CROWD: [cheering]
PILATE: People of Jewusalem!
CROWD: [chuckling]
PILATE: Wome is your fwiend.
CROWD: [laughing]
PILATE: To pwove our fwiendship, it is customawy at this time to welease a wongdoer fwom our pwisons.
CROWD: [laughing]
GUARD #3: [chuckling]
PILATE: Whom would you have me welease?
BOB HOSKINS: Welease Woger!
CROWD: Yes! Welease Woger! Welease Woger! [laughing]
PILATE: Vewy well. I shall welease Woger!
CROWD: [cheering]
CENTURION: Sir, uh, we don't have a 'Woger', sir.
PILATE: What?
CENTURION: Uh, we don't have anyone of that name, sir.
PILATE: Ah. We have no 'Woger'!
CROWD: Ohhhhh!
BOB: Well, what about Wodewick, then?
CROWD: Yes! Welease Wodewick! Welease Wodewick!
PILATE: Centuwion, why do they titter so?
CENTURION: Just some, uh, Jewish joke, sir.
PILATE: Are they... wagging me?
CENTURION: Oh, no, sir!
GUARD #3: [chuckling]
PILATE: Vewy well. I shall welease... Wodewick!
CROWD: [laughing]
CENTURION: Sir, we don't have a 'Roderick' either.
PILATE: No 'Woger'? No 'Wodewick'?
CENTURION: Sorry, sir.
PILATE: Who is this 'Wod'--
GUARD #1: [chuckle]
PILATE: Who is the 'Wodewick' to whom you wefer?
BOB: He's a wobber!
CROWD: [laughing]
MAN: And a wapist!
CROWD: [laughing]
WOMAN: And a pickpocket!
CROWD: Yeah! Ahh, no! No! Shh! Shh!...
PILATE: He sounds a notowious cwiminal.
CENTURION: We haven't got him, sir. Mm hm.
PILATE: Do we have anyone in our pwisons at all?
CENTURION: Oh, yes, sir. We've got, uh, 'Samson', sir.
PILATE: Samson?
CENTURION: Samson the Sadducee Strangler, sir. Uh, Silus the Syrian Assassin. Uh, several seditious scribes from Caesarea. Uhhh, sixty-seven seers from--
BIGGUS: Let me thpeak to them, Pontiuth!
CENTURION: Oh, no. Oh.
PILATE: Ah. Good idea, Biggus.
BIGGUS: Thitizens! We have Thamthon the Thadduthee Thtrangler, Thilus...
CROWD: [laughing]
BIGGUS: ...the Athyrian Athathin, theveral theditiouth thcribth from Thaetharea, and...

[MikeL]

??

Not at all. A very apposite digression, Hitcher. Well done...

And if Mr Tamaki ever reads this thread he will congratulate himself. In his business, like all show business, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about...

[Zed]

As I pointed out in my early post, new or old testiment - there is no tithing in the bible. Its just christian bullshit.

Anyone who disagrees, go get a bible and quote me the bit that says how to tithe and to whom.

I disagree with you. Of course there is "tithing" in the Holy Bible!

I'll make a deal with you TwoSeven - if I can show you from the Bible (specifically Old Testament) that tithing was practised, will you apologise to all Christian 'bs' artists and then keep quiet on the matter?

[Ixion]

I disagree with you. Of course there is "tithing" in the Holy Bible!

I'll make a deal with you TwoSeven - if I can show you from the Bible (specifically Old Testament) that tithing was practised, will you apologise to all Christian 'bs' artists and then keep quiet on the matter?

Hm. Deuteronomy 14:22
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

and 14:23

And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

Leviticus 27:30

And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.


and an apparent approval by JC

Matt 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Seem to give some suport to tithing. Whether that should extend to Harley Davidsons for the "bishop" is perhaps another matter.

(But we do have 1 Cor 9:13 , which could also be Apostolic endorsement)

Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

Mr Zed will do this much better than I

[Jamezo]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...330#post268330

feel the wrath!